[Ursae Majoris]

The first few cars are going to sell for big money. Once that wears off, they will drop. You can see it on all the cars. SVJs are only selling at realistic levels. No one is paying 900k-1 million anymore. Chicago Motor Cars has a purple one for sale for 1.1 million. Never going to happen

The only early cars will be the pre-configured cars, and everyone who buys a Revulto has to sign a 1 year ROFR, so no flipping, or you get blacklisted. I don't see prices plummeting until the roadster comes out.

 

[Bezok]

The only early cars will be the pre-configured cars, and everyone who buys a Revulto has to sign a 1 year ROFR, so no flipping, or you get blacklisted. I don't see prices plummeting until the roadster comes out.

Flipping enabled ppl to take profit early on these cars. ROFR has negated that. If for any reason you need to sell your car in the first year - good luck. The dealership will take it from your hands at a discount and re-sell to another buyer at a premium. The dealer now has control and they're not going to share the profit with the public, this is just logical business sense. Then when everyone wants to sell after year 1, you need to rely on a lot of different things to guarantee a premium, like demand/purchasing power/etc. Feels to me there will be more sellers than buyers for new hybrids. Look at what happened to the SF90, which has only started to plateau after hitting rock bottom 18 months later.

 

[Ursae Majoris]

Flipping enabled ppl to take profit early on these cars. ROFR has negated that. If for any reason you need to sell your car in the first year - good luck. The dealership will take it from your hands at a discount and re-sell to another buyer at a premium. The dealer now has control and they're not going to share the profit with the public, this is just logical business sense. Then when everyone wants to sell after year 1, you need to rely on a lot of different things to guarantee a premium, like demand/purchasing power/etc. Feels to me there will be more sellers than buyers for new hybrids. Look at what happened to the SF90, which has only started to plateau after hitting rock bottom 18 months later.

My greatest source of frustration on automotive forums stems from the premature speculation of vehicle values, often occurring before the first car is even delivered. Reality is no one knows about future values. As for the comparisons to the SF90, I still find them perplexing. The Revuleto represents Lamborghini's flagship V12, which is inherently superior to the V8 found in the SF90. Given that the Revuleto marks the final V12 offering, those anticipating a significant decline in prices are in for a surprise.

 

[Bezok]

My greatest source of frustration on automotive forums stems from the premature speculation of vehicle values, often occurring before the first car is even delivered. Reality is no one knows about future values. As for the comparisons to the SF90, I still find them perplexing. The Revuleto represents Lamborghini's flagship V12, which is inherently superior to the V8 found in the SF90. Given that the Revuleto marks the final V12 offering, those anticipating a significant decline in prices are in for a surprise.

Most of my views are backed up by a framework that I use day to day, which is based on logic, historical performance adjusted for circumstances, and so on.

Look the Revuelto is a great car, and I cannot wait to add the SV/SVJ version to my collection when it is finally here, but the base model is mass produced at a very high price point. Those two combinations are typically opposite to what usually creates long term price appreciation.

 

[Jr Mint]

ROFR only means the dealers will be selling them instead of the customer. There will still be many for sale and the first few will be for big money. That’s what I think and soon we will see if that turns out to be correct. The market has gotten very slow and I think all cars are going to come down quite a bit, even the “rare” ones. Money is also worth a lot less than it was, so we need to keep that in mind too.

 

[Ursae Majoris]

Most of my views are backed up by a framework that I use day to day, which is based on logic, historical performance adjusted for circumstances, and so on.

Look the Revuelto is a great car, and I cannot wait to add the SV/SVJ version to my collection when it is finally here, but the base model is mass produced at a very high price point. Those two combinations are typically opposite to what usually creates long term price appreciation.

Mass production when? The initial production year will primarily be focused on pre-configured models and demos. Customers submitting orders for the 2nd year of production are subject to carbon and other AdP restrictions, suggesting production still might not reach its peak capacity. Based on my conversations with various dealers, it appears that most are anticipating receiving between 5 to 15 allocations within the first 18 months. While it's conceivable that one might come across a Revuelto priced below list in a few years, such a scenario doesn't seem likely in the foreseeable future.

 

[Bezok]

Mass production when? The initial production year will primarily be focused on pre-configured models and demos. Customers submitting orders for the 2nd year of production are subject to carbon and other AdP restrictions, suggesting production still might not reach its peak capacity. Based on my conversations with various dealers, it appears that most are anticipating receiving between 5 to 15 allocations within the first 18 months. While it's conceivable that one might come across a Revuelto priced below list in a few years, such a scenario doesn't seem likely in the foreseeable future.

Mass production is when it's not a limited-run production. Just going by some numbers in this thread, which are based on reasonable assumptions, by the end of 2024 there is likely to be 2k Revueltos, and probably 4k by the time the roadster version comes out in 2025. That's mass produced. I agree with Jr Mint, the very early cars will trade at crazy prices over list. I think if you have your car delivered to you between Q1 and Q2 of 2024 you are safe. But car prices everywhere are softening up, you cannot deny that. I think in 12months the large overs will come down and then maybe trades under list by the time roadster comes out. Anyway it doesn't matter, verdict will be out soon.

 

[Andromeda]

IMO I think it’s fun for all of us to sit here and discuss pricing, allocations and so on. But it’s pretty apparent the market is getting back to normal, interest rates are increasing, supply is increasing, and small businesses are not doing 2020-2022 numbers.
Hopefully those production numbers are false and we are capped at 1200 a year.

 

[Jr Mint]

They will make as many as they can and that they can sell. Don’t be surprised though when the day comes that the delivery will be rejected and the cars will be on the dealer floor. That day will come, but when?

 

[Andromeda]

They will make as many as they can and that they can sell. Don’t be surprised though when the day comes that the delivery will be rejected and the cars will be on the dealer floor. That day will come, but when?

That all depends on production output which will determine demand. I think it’s extremely important that Lamborghini protect their flagship buyers.

 

[Jr Mint]

That all depends on production output which will determine demand. I think it’s extremely important that Lamborghini protect their flagship buyers.

They don’t care about buyers. They care about the bottom line, and if that means people lose money they can care less

 

[Bezok]

That all depends on production output which will determine demand. I think it’s extremely important that Lamborghini protect their flagship buyers.

I would think they care more about their bottom line than anything else. And when it comes to protecting customers, I wouldn't be surprised if they cared more about their hypercar client base, just like Ferrari.

 

[Andromeda]

Sadly, that may be true.

 

[Ursae Majoris]

Mass production is when it's not a limited-run production. Just going by some numbers in this thread, which are based on reasonable assumptions, by the end of 2024 there is likely to be 2k Revueltos, and probably 4k by the time the roadster version comes out in 2025. That's mass produced. I agree with Jr Mint, the very early cars will trade at crazy prices over list. I think if you have your car delivered to you between Q1 and Q2 of 2024 you are safe. But car prices everywhere are softening up, you cannot deny that. I think in 12months the large overs will come down and then maybe trades under list by the time roadster comes out. Anyway it doesn't matter, verdict will be out soon.

Could you please provide the source of your production projections because it's worth noting that Lamborghini struggled to reach a production volume of 1500 Aventadors per model year at its peak which was priced considerably lower. Additionally, it's important to underscore that the Revuelto is an entirely new vehicle, built from the ground up. Therefore, the notion that Lamborghini will achieve full scale production without delays within a mere 12 months seems patently implausible. There are already constraints on options like carbon and interior trim, and I've personally been informed, like many other customers who didn't opt for a pre-config, to anticipate delivery of our vehicles towards the end of 2024 or possibly in early 2025.

 

[noallegiance]

You guys are funny and don’t know anything . I already posted what my dealer showed me from Lambo of how many revisiting’s they’re getting In 2024-2027.

If you guys are in the know as you guys make yourself out to be then lob in a call to your dealer and report back

every dealer knows how many they are getting from 2024-2027.

 

[Jr Mint]

You guys are funny and don’t know anything . I already posted what my dealer showed me from Lambo of how many revisiting’s they’re getting In 2024-2027.

If you guys are in the know as you guys make yourself out to be then lob in a call to your dealer and report back

every dealer knows how many they are getting from 2024-2027.

Dealers typically get annual production plans. Dealers also get more allocations under certain circumstances. You bring up US dealers, but the production is based on the entire world. I plan to ask the suits at the next event which is likely Daytona how many they are actually making.

 

[Andromeda]

You guys are funny and don’t know anything . I already posted what my dealer showed me from Lambo of how many revisiting’s they’re getting In 2024-2027.

If you guys are in the know as you guys make yourself out to be then lob in a call to your dealer and report back

every dealer knows how many they are getting from 2024-2027.

How many is your dealer getting ?

 

[Bezok]

You guys are funny and don’t know anything . I already posted what my dealer showed me from Lambo of how many revisiting’s they’re getting In 2024-2027.

If you guys are in the know as you guys make yourself out to be then lob in a call to your dealer and report back

every dealer knows how many they are getting from 2024-2027.

Dealers don't know what annual production numbers are, and they don't even know how much their country is getting. They only know what their allocation pipelines are, which are subject to change. I'm going by factory estimates based on conversations that people here have had with the factory, and extrapolating reasonable estimates based on those assumptions. Nobody here knows anything with a guarantee, we can only make estimates.

Dealers originally told everyone allocations were entirely sold out in April at the launch. Four months later, they suddenly had a lot more, and now anyone with buying history can get a Revuelto. The only way possible was factory suddenly increased planned allocations (unlikely in such a short window), or depositors pulled out because of the high sticker price and dealers are long. In any case, I'll stop my rant here. Jury will be out soon.

 

[noallegiance]

Speculation by reporting on off the cuff discussions with Lambo personnel that isn’t thought of very carefully by those people in one on one discussions isn’t very valuable at all.

as stated; your dealers have received the communication of how many revueltos they are receiving from Lambo from 2024-2027. It may not fit your narrative but that is official stuff that every dealer has . It’s a lot more official then going by off the cuff discussions with people who don’t really know the answer and just coming up with something to tell you . You shouldn’t be going by answers to questions that you shouldn’t be asking to Lambo personnel who don’t really know and aren’t authorized to tell you, even if they did know .

the emails are official and your dealers have them and you can back into what the amounts per country will be and globally if you wish . (If it’s that important to you )

 

[Ursae Majoris]

Dealers don't know what annual production numbers are, and they don't even know how much their country is getting. They only know what their allocation pipelines are, which are subject to change. I'm going by factory estimates based on conversations that people here have had with the factory, and extrapolating reasonable estimates based on those assumptions. Nobody here knows anything with a guarantee, we can only make estimates.

Dealers originally told everyone allocations were entirely sold out in April at the launch. Four months later, they suddenly had a lot more, and now anyone with buying history can get a Revuelto. The only way possible was factory suddenly increased planned allocations (unlikely in such a short window), or depositors pulled out because of the high sticker price and dealers are long. In any case, I'll stop my rant here. Jury will be out soon.

I find it surprising that you claim dealers don't know their annual production numbers, as they typically receive allocation information well in advance. The only thing they don't know in advance is the specific month when allocations will show up. Furthermore, the assertion that the Revuelto is sold out for two years originated from Winkelmann, so it would be beneficial if we could corroborate your claim of suddenly increased allocations with verifiable evidence. What dealer is claiming this and is this for early deliveries or deliveries in 2025 and beyond? Providing factual claims would enhance the clarity of our discussions rather than relying on hearsay or vague assertions.