[Ursae Majoris]

OK, so just visited my dealer on Friday April 14th and got some info that may or may not be accurate, but did come from the two dealers I work with.

1. The price of the Revuelto will start at $585,000 base in U.S. Dollars according to one sales person I work with that should know.
2. Regarding allocations, my local dealer expects to get 2 allocations per month for the Revuelto, which in my opinion is decent, all things considered. I am guessing I might get an allocation for a car to be delivered in Spring 2024 if I'm lucky.

My original guess was that the car would start at $550k but I heard some rumors of $605k but we'll see pretty soon as this was supposed to be already disclosed by now. Anyone else hearing anything?

Did you not attend the New York Citry preview couple weeks ago? They told us that the car will be over $600,000 - with options and fees you're pushing $700,000. And what dealer is telling you delivery in Spring 2024? No one that selected car back in December has received a delivery time frame so how the heck are you getting a car in Spring? And you're telling us your dealer will get 24 ALLOCATIONS in the first YEAR? Ha! Again more dealer BS getting spewed on this forum - and btw I was told my allocation will be around 20 months and this came directly from one of the largest dealers in the COUNTRY!

 

[Ursae Majoris]

No one I know is stressing about the MSRP and no one is taking their deposits back.

 

[Ursae Majoris]

Planning to head to the premier in Vaughan on the 17th, look forward to meeting some of you other Canadians there!

I was under the impression that you were not a fan of the Revuelto - now, you're attending the premiere?

 

[Ursae Majoris]

Not a huge fan, but it’s slowly growing on me. Plus I’ll probably buy one anyways because it’s the only Lamborghini I’m interested in the future lineup. Plus a bunch of friends are going and we generally have a great time partying at these events 🤙

This is the common issue with events of this nature, customers who have legitimately placed orders for the vehicle are unable to fully appreciate and inspect it due to the overwhelming number of attendees who are simply there for the experience. It is unfortunate that such events do not always cater to the specific needs of committed customers. I have had the pleasure of interacting with the team at Grand Touring and they have informed me that there are only a handful of clients in Calgary who have expressed a serious interest in acquiring the Revuelto - I was told this prior to the announcement of the North American MSRP, which may have an impact on the level of demand for the car especially in Canada where the average home is just over a million dollars.

 

[Ursae Majoris]

As usual you’re grossly misinformed...

“Canadian housing markets have brought Canada's average home price to $686,371 in March 2023”

Did I quote or respond to you? No, so speak to me if you're spoken to.

 

[Ursae Majoris]

I’ve had a deposit since June, so I’d say I’m fairly committed to getting the car once given the opportunity. Calgary has a lot more than a handful of buyers that are interested in the Revuelto. My very good friend is supposed to submit his spec next week and there is a backlog of deposits waiting as well. 4 of the people I know that are going will all receive one. A lot of Canadians are ticked off about the luxury tax, but unfortunately it’s something we’ve just got to live with and accept. So far it’s just increased residual values on every car which I don’t see as a bad thing if you can stomach the initial hit.

If you've had a deposit since June, why haven't you received an invitation to the Preview in New York City? As I've mentioned before, I'm familiar with the team at Grand Touring and it seems that the Calgary market is relatively small. I was told the interest in the Revuelto has been lukewarm due to the high MSRP and new tax. In fact, the Calgary dealership has struggled to sell STO's and Ultimae's, so I would be surprised if they sell more than five Revueltos in the first two years.

 

[Ursae Majoris]

It's fascinating to observe how some people are sharing their Unica screenshots with the impression that they will be receiving their cars soon, when in fact, the update only confirms that your name has been added to the system as a step towards validating and allocating the order. As a matter of fact, I still have an EVO Spyder that was cancelled over a year ago, which still shows "on order" in my Unica account. Only people who are confirmed to be receiving a car this year and early next year are the one's who were selected for the pre-configured cars.

It's also important to note that even with a confirmed deposit, the process of receiving an allocation will be quite lengthy, with deliveries not expected until next Fall, according to my conversations with several dealers. Additionally, I was informed that there is a high likelihood of option restrictions, which means that the options selected upon deposit may not necessarily be available until the order is allocated, further complicating the process of taking delivery of this car with the options you want.

 

[Ursae Majoris]

It's fascinating to observe how some people care so much about what others are doing on public forums and always have opinions on what others can or cannot achieve. Some people seem to struggle with seeing others happy and feel the need to share their negative opinions, even when it is not necessary.
It is also amusing to see how many assumptions are made about how allocations work, as if no one except for them understands the process.

So tell me how allocations work? Are you getting your car this year? And you deal with Jordan at Newport?

 

[Ursae Majoris]

Doesn't matter! Not your problem, mind your own business..

It's evident you make claims with ZERO credibility whatsoever. I clearly stated in my post above that a deposit only secures a place in the order queue, and it does not guarantee that the order will be fulfilled. Anyone who has made a deposit will receive the "on order" notification on Unica, which is merely an indication of their place in line - is this false information??? A cursory look at your posting history reveals a pattern of making false claims about cars on order, which ultimately never materialize.

And the fact that Jordan at Newport, who you claim you know, has never heard of you, nor does he follow them on Instagram, speaks volumes about your supposed "relationship". It's important on cars forums to be wary of false claims and carefully consider the credibility of individuals posting before accepting their statements as truth - don't waste your time replying back to me unless you got the invoice!

 

[Ursae Majoris]

You are correct. The update on Unica does not hold much significance as it doesn't allow for tracking of the order; it simply confirms that the order has been registered in LOOM.

Indeed - that is precisely the point that I was trying to convey as well. It is unfortunate that some people take things personally and fail to grasp the bigger picture. It is worth noting that people who make grandiose claims about ordering cars that never materialize, as in the case of Lambo18Feb, often lack credibility. In fact, a quick search of his profile reveals numerous instances of such behavior claiming he has cars on order which never seem to arrive.

Moreover, sharing screenshots from Unica does not hold any weight as it is easily manipulated! I can for example use my friends account, take screenshots and post them all over the internet. The fact that those who are disingenuous seem to be the most defensive is an interesting observation. It's important to maintain a critical and discerning mindset, especially when dealing with such claims.

 

[Ursae Majoris]

@Ursae Majoris, stop accusing me and others of things that are baseless simply coz you have an assumption and have self centered egoistic mind set. Most of the credible members know about that 1 situation I had with EVO, due to dealer asking markup when allocation time came, which didn't work out. I don't care what you feel or believe but stop making false accusations, nor I think you are worthy of any explanation.

There is a nice way to bring your point across, vs always being a butt hurt when anyone else shares something positive with the forum members because you feel you own Lamborghini or the forum. Get over yourself.

Regarding credibility, since the time you have joined the forum, only thing that you have done here is to attack others. Atleast, I am not a keyboard warrior like you with a hidden identity. Every legit member here knows me.

Firstly, you attacked me, but I didn't attack you. I never mentioned you in my initial post.

Regarding the issue at hand, it is indeed disheartening to see members making false claims and posting misleading information. It is understandable that such behavior can be frustrating to encounter, particularly when it is a common occurrence with some members on this forum!

Furthermore, the validity of your claims can be called into question when they appear to contradict themselves. For instance, how could someone claim to have picked a pre-configured specification when they never attended the event in question? Additionally, harassing members to break their non-disclosure agreements is not only unethical but also a breach of trust and you would know that if you actually received an invite.

Look at these posts and tell me how one cannot be suspicious?

In conclusion, it is important to be critical of the information posted on public car forums and maintain a healthy level of skepticism. As a car community we should also strive to contribute constructively to discussions and avoid engaging in animal behavior but it seems like some members on here always a bone to pick with me which is quite sad!

 

[Ursae Majoris]

If you feel this, then you are a troll..

Look at this below , I never tagged you on any post, you tagged me first. So stop behaving like you are a saint.

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Again, I don't need to give you any explanation. I had an invite, I couldn't go. Had an option to select pre-config which I didn't do coz I don't measure my ego by how fast I can get the car before everyone. Not my thing.

How did I tag you first, below is my "initial" post and I didn't quote you so what are you talking about?

I don't see anything in my 'initial' post that was directed at you, so I'm not sure why you got so offended. There were a lot of posts that were deleted regarding you pestering other members about their specs and your claim that you were invited to the NYC event, even though you've owned no Lamborghinis. It's funny how you get so offended, yet now you're taking a dig at everyone that received a preconfigured car and are basically being egotistical, calling the kettle black!

 

[Ursae Majoris]

Basically everyone I know who is in the line for a Revuelto here in Germany (a hand full) is considering not ordering: Based in current production problems with the Urus, first deliveries (after the pre configs) seem to be coming more like late 2024 or 2025.

By then, the SF90 will have fallen further since it is virtually unsellable currently and people who are in line for the new SF90 VS will also start selling their normal SF90. There will be quite a price gap between SF90 and new Revueltos. Now we're all wondering what makes the SF90 so unsellable at the same price levels where a normal specced Revuelto will come out? Not sure if it is the missing V12. An SF90 is still 200 kilogramms lighter than the Revuelto. Battery issues seem to have been sorted out by now... So a used SF90 at EUR 450k and a new Revuelto for EUR 600k - that will make a lot of people reconsider it seems.

Adding to this, the contract with the dealer says they have the right to repurchase at list price within the first 12 months. So there's nothing to gain IF there is a markup in the market, but losses are always guaranteed if you choose or need to sell. Quite uneven distribution of risk. Very interesting to see over the next few weeks when slots are distributed to dealers.

My observation is the only people who will make money on the Revuelto will be the VIP clients who receive the preconfigured cars because they'll be the first Revuelto's delivered in the world. It is clear that these VIP clients will have a significant head start, with at least a 6-8 month lead in ownership compared to those who receive non-preconfigured cars which, according to my dealer, will be arriving end of 2024.

Now we know why Lamborghini made a big fuss about the NYC VIP preview and why clients were hand-selected. Although I'm still unhappy about not being invited, there isn't much I can do about it. Thankfully for me this car is a long term hold so short term values don't matter much to me.

 

[Ursae Majoris]

Dealer fairy tales are always great.



People compare these 2 cars in general, they are direct rivals .. ofc pricing is a factor in that comparison.


And you not knowing anyone comparing these 2 cars just sounds crazy ! There are tons of articles about this ..

2024 Lamborghini Revuelto vs. Ferrari SF90 Stradale Comparison: Setting the Standard

The 2024 Lamborghini Revuelto is looking like a Ferrari SF90 slayer. But how close is it to topping the equally-powerful Prancing Horse hybrid?

www.autoevolution.com

Here's How Lamborghini Plans To Take On The Ferrari SF90 With The Hybrid Revuelto | Carscoops

The Lamborghini Revuelto has a hybridized 6.5-liter V12 as well as a new carbon fiber monocoque

www.carscoops.com

Why The Lamborghini Revuelto Hybrid Will Worry The Ferrari SF90

Lamborghini Revuelto, the mighty successor of the Aventador, brings back the V12 thunder with an environmentally friendly package.

www.hotcars.com

Lamborghini Revuelto und Ferrari SF90 Stradale im Vergleich

Zwei der stärksten Plug-in-Hybride auf dem Markt im ersten Vergleich: Lamborghini Revuelto oder lieber Ferrari SF90 Stradale?

de.motor1.com

The links you posted are engaging in clickbait tactics by merely comparing two cars based solely on their shared PHEV technology. A more relevant comparison would be between the Revuelto and the 812 successor, as they share more comparable features and attributes like the V12 engine.

 

[Ursae Majoris]

For context, my dealer is slated to receive five pre-configured cars (+1 demo), which are likely to make up the entire first year of allocations. The first pre-configured car is expected to arrive in December, while customer specified cars are not expected to arrive until the end of 2024. As a result, there won't be many used Revuelto's on the market for at least the first two years of production.

In my opinion, the early pre-configured cars will likely sell for well above the list price, as they will be the only used Revuelto's available.

It's all about supply and demand. There's plenty of pent up demand and it is reasonable to anticipate a sustained period of strong demand for the Revuelto into the foreseeable future.

 

[Ursae Majoris]

I was at the factory in July, and I was told that the Revuelto is more complex to build than the outgoing Aventador and will take longer to manufacture. I was also informed that production will pick up in year 2, and by year 4, there will be other variants that will increase the total number produced. There is no way Lamborghini will be producing 2,400 Revuelto coupes per year, especially at this price point and in a slowing economy.

And for reference, Lamborghini only sold 1,200 V12s in 2018 and 1,100 in 2019. In the 2018 you had the Aventador S which was at a much lower price point and they could only sell 1,200 cars.

 

[Ursae Majoris]

This is also exactly what I said. I just don't see the prices of these holding up, especially if there's a risk of recession coming up in the coming years.

I'd be a trillionaire for every time someone predicted a recession. You don't know if or when we'll have a recession, and the 2,400 production number is hearsay and is not factual.

 

[Ursae Majoris]

The first few cars are going to sell for big money. Once that wears off, they will drop. You can see it on all the cars. SVJs are only selling at realistic levels. No one is paying 900k-1 million anymore. Chicago Motor Cars has a purple one for sale for 1.1 million. Never going to happen

The only early cars will be the pre-configured cars, and everyone who buys a Revulto has to sign a 1 year ROFR, so no flipping, or you get blacklisted. I don't see prices plummeting until the roadster comes out.

 

[Ursae Majoris]

Flipping enabled ppl to take profit early on these cars. ROFR has negated that. If for any reason you need to sell your car in the first year - good luck. The dealership will take it from your hands at a discount and re-sell to another buyer at a premium. The dealer now has control and they're not going to share the profit with the public, this is just logical business sense. Then when everyone wants to sell after year 1, you need to rely on a lot of different things to guarantee a premium, like demand/purchasing power/etc. Feels to me there will be more sellers than buyers for new hybrids. Look at what happened to the SF90, which has only started to plateau after hitting rock bottom 18 months later.

My greatest source of frustration on automotive forums stems from the premature speculation of vehicle values, often occurring before the first car is even delivered. Reality is no one knows about future values. As for the comparisons to the SF90, I still find them perplexing. The Revuleto represents Lamborghini's flagship V12, which is inherently superior to the V8 found in the SF90. Given that the Revuleto marks the final V12 offering, those anticipating a significant decline in prices are in for a surprise.

 

[Ursae Majoris]

Most of my views are backed up by a framework that I use day to day, which is based on logic, historical performance adjusted for circumstances, and so on.

Look the Revuelto is a great car, and I cannot wait to add the SV/SVJ version to my collection when it is finally here, but the base model is mass produced at a very high price point. Those two combinations are typically opposite to what usually creates long term price appreciation.

Mass production when? The initial production year will primarily be focused on pre-configured models and demos. Customers submitting orders for the 2nd year of production are subject to carbon and other AdP restrictions, suggesting production still might not reach its peak capacity. Based on my conversations with various dealers, it appears that most are anticipating receiving between 5 to 15 allocations within the first 18 months. While it's conceivable that one might come across a Revuelto priced below list in a few years, such a scenario doesn't seem likely in the foreseeable future.