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Btw, do not pull out that tape, these eprom chips loose their data on UV-light there is sensor under there with window and after couple of weeks under sun they are deleted.
They are ment to be deleted with UV-light.
Those are:
AT27C256R
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Those EU LIE's you have are different age, you can see how other components are smaler in newer one.
Are you thinking they will be fine or should I find another chip? Do you need to see the numbers on the other computers eprom chips?
 
Hi Mikael,
yes agree, both chips same will work.

My problem in understanding is another one:

Bruce: ECU 002033024 Chip W93T MC01S
Paul: ECU 002033024 Chip W87T MC01S

So if i would buy a ECU 002033024 may be i get a Chip W87T MC01S maybe not.

And there is this codenumber outside of the ECU.

Paul
W87T is early, LIE is desing in 1987
W93T is later, deisng was rewisited in 1993 for VT-models

Both got same part number (002033024), so in that way Lamborghini says; They are same.

I know there are little bit difference in spark advance and injector timing, I think this is for emission or different camshafts for VT -engines.
 
Are you thinking they will be fine or should I find another chip? Do you need to see the numbers on the other computers eprom chips?
No need to see them, they are all same. With different age, they got little bit different markings on them, but they all are AT27C256R, but that is important that you can not use any other type, you can not use larger then 256bit chip, prosessor might burn if you use larger ones, this is important. chip can be faster, but no means slower type.

Do not use Saudi eproms, they are ment to use only with leaded fuel, use EU ships they are best.
 
Discussion starter · #47 ·
No need to see them, they are all same. With different age, they got little bit different markings on them, but they all are AT27C256R, but that is important that you can not use any other type, you can not use larger then 256bit chip, prosessor might burn if you use larger ones, this is important. chip can be faster, but no means slower type.

Do not use Saudi eproms, they are ment to use only with leaded fuel, use EU ships they are best.
So it is fine for me to use the Saudi ECUs since I don't have a carter motor.
 
So it is fine for me to use the Saudi ECUs since I don't have a carter motor.
No Saudi LIE's have nothing to do with "carter motor", thay came in 1997
NEWer style LIE's with carter motor look like this, totally different and you can not run older car with them:
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Saudi LIE's do not read lambda, because you can not use lambda if you have metal in fuel (lead) and in middle east they did use leaded fuel very late.

Saudi LIE's have potentiometer, that little hole next to big socket and adjust how much fuel is used in each cycle, because they do not read lambda. this potentiometer is set in factory and should not be touched, it has paint sealant to show if it is touched after factory. All LIE's have that potentiometer and that hole in casing, but only with Saudi-Arabia version of software it affects fuel mapping. This also tell that all LIE boxes have same hardwear.

I also have Saudi LIE's and after my research I am not sure if they actually read lambda or not. So easy way is to run your Saudi LIE with some other market eprom chip and it work perfectly fine.
 
While I have the 3 different ECUs open, does anyone need any pics before I close them up?
No need, but take good pictures from them.

W87T M900S
Now this is interesting!

What LIE's are those? Where they came?
What does it read; What numbers? Paint code

I think there are two possibilities for these "W87T M900S" :
- Very early Diablo LIE's
- They are LM002 LIE's
 
It's interesting to see the jump wires on the circuit board.

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Mikael,
btw, if you had never seen LM002 ECUs they are very-very much different.
1. The boxes are more rectangular and narrower
2. The case is metal with blueish finish
3. The contact looks like 3-row LPT1-like socket with round golden connectors.

They might the same EPROM, but from the outside they are different. Also LM002 ECU has limited fault storage.

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Ultimately, I'd think that early cars could have "straight up" magnets on the flywheel to have more advance (they are not magnets, likely, just bolts). BTW, I have limited knowledge on LM FI magnet positions or ignition.
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Oh, and btw, LM runs backwards if compared to Diablo; i.e. LM FI engine runs clockwise.
 
It's interesting to see the jump wires on the circuit board.

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Mikael,
btw, if you had never seen LM002 ECUs they are very-very much different.
1. The boxes are more rectangular and narrower
2. The case is metal with blueish finish
3. The contact looks like 3-row LPT1-like socket with round golden connectors.

They might the same EPROM, but from the outside they are different. Also LM002 ECU has limited fault storage.

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Ultimately, I'd think that early cars could have "straight up" magnets on the flywheel to have more advance (they are not magnets, likely, just bolts). BTW, I have limited knowledge on LM FI magnet positions or ignition.
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Oh, and btw, LM runs backwards if compared to Diablo; i.e. LM FI engine runs clockwise.
yes, Last version of LM002 where with with Diablo 5.7 engine (one might also say; Diablo got LM002 engine... :D because LM002 got it first )
1990 Lamborghini LM002 “LM/American"
https://petrolicious.com/marketplace/3k-mile-1990-lamborghini-lm002-lmamerican-309900

Photography by Trace Taylor
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Those things did have similar engine managment with Diablo.
I do not know whitch way it rotates, but Diablo got error code for "Engine speed and timing sensor signal wrong sequence" Error code 6
but Bruce have run he's car with those LIE's so they do work, right?
 

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Mikael,

Do not get misguided by people who don't understand a thing about LM002s (actually, the very most).

LM002 engine is 5.2L in displacement - with carbs and EFI.
So LM002 with EFI is a 5.2L - engine code L520i.

Carb engine is a Countach 25th derived L510 4V with heavy duty air filters.
Carb engine has 2 upper chains with manual tensioners and lower gears off the crank to drive the chains (you probably know, as you own one).

The LM EFI engine block design is Diablo-like, with 3 chains: 2 upper and 1 lower.
New engine case, Diablo style oil pump, not 2 spur gears like Bizzarrini design.
Cylinder heads are much like carb heads.
It runs clockwise, Diablo engine runs counter-clockwise - cams won't work anyhow.

I've never taken LM002 EFI engine apart, so I don't know how the lower chain and tensioners look, but maybe they are the same with Diablo - so they can tighten the wrong side of the chain. That justifies why LM002 EFI has small engine cams and real dyno never exceeded 380 hp.

LM002 EFI crank has special rod journals and special rods. Somehow they are problematic - many engines had problems with bearings or oil pump. Hard to make up for statistics, because they were occasionally driven, rarely serviced and done by people having zero understanding of how it works, because there is no repair manual at all.

First 50 engines had Diablo-style water pump, but it had too much side load on the case, so later L520i after 50th engine have a "big" water pump with 2 inner bearings (1x single row and 1x double-row bearings) and 1 outside bearing for additional pulley suspension. The outside bearing sometimes spins around and damages the case (because of an imperfect design, I repaired such)

LM EFI has additional air deceleration valve from Porsche 928 K-Jetronic system that allows smoother deceleration to idle.
Diablo EFI can cope with itself with help of ignition.
On later Diablo carter motor also aids to slow down the throttle closing, it suspends the throttle rod shaft a bit (you can hear/feel it with ignition on, opening them manually from the engine bay).

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So LM American is just pure marketing stuff:
spare tire cover, ugly side skirts and body stripes - the only differences if compared to normal EFI LM.

Anyway, what I mean is that LM is a very special car.
It's funny that it's a very small run of very different cars with many many differences - buttons, dashboards, interior boxes, fuel tanks, pedals, frame reinforcements, engines, undercovers, emission stuff, tow hooks and etc. No other Lambo had so many differences, it seems.

And so LM is pure experiment in many things.
It was a prototype for Diablo engine design and EFI.
But it has limited similarity to the Diablo itself.

p.s. Also LM002 has a disappointingly quite and high pitched exhaust note that makes me sad. :D
 
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