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From the article, here’s the “reason” why it “absolutely shouldn’t” die:

“The reason we crazed driving enthusiasts still love manuals is a blend of warm and fuzzy nostalgia, the satisfaction that comes from mastering a time-honored skill, and a stubborn resistance...”

Admittedly, I’ve been driving & preferring manuals my entire life, but in the past few years started to feel a bit silly when I objectively observed my process of changing gears.

I was hesitant to step into an eGear Gallardo because thought for sure I would hate it.

As clunky as eGear is at many subtle aspects of shifting, it isn’t as bad as I expected. Exceeded my expectations, to be honest. Certainly not in nuances like parallel parking, but that’s a whole different story.

I am still generally more smooth with a manual, but the ease & efficiency of paddle shifting during hard accel & braking is growing on me. I can only imagine how slick a high end DCT will feel once I can get into that.

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The main point from the article,

"It's the same with scuba diving. Years ago, I'd plan my dives using a plastic chart to balance depth with allowable bottom time—and then once underwater monitor a depth gauge and, on my analog wristwatch, minutes submerged. Today? Just strap on a dive computer, and it analyzes duration and depth and tells you, "Go no deeper," or, "Time to head up." So do I still read dive tables and wear my analog watch alongside the dive computer? You bet I do. When I'm always calculating, I have a better sense of "I know what's what."

Manual shifters are like that. You're not simply pulling a paddle and letting the transmission do all the hard work. The gearbox never does a thing until you command it to do so; you're 100 percent in charge. You're more attuned to the tachometer, you're thinking way ahead, and well before every turn you're readying both feet to perform that remarkable dance of braking, blipping, and clutching all at the same time. Answer me this: Is there a more soul-nourishing driving act than kicking the throttle just the right amount as you slip the gearstick down and feel the lower gear engage at the perfect rpm, not the slightest shudder from the powertrain, the exhaust note a beauteous zing?"

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Admittedly, I’ve been driving & preferring manuals my entire life, but in the past few years started to feel a bit silly when I objectively observed my process of changing gears.

I was hesitant to step into an eGear Gallardo because thought for sure I would hate it.

I said the same. I said I’d never do it. Im a true manual enthusiast and maybe that’s why I love it so much, the single clutch is freaking just raw. It a great setup. if you’re looking for a manual and can’t find one, must try the egear alternative.
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So do I still read dive tables and wear my analog watch alongside the dive computer? You bet I do.

Not the right analogy because both approaches & tools can exist side by side.

Not so with a manual gearbox.

The article title says “here’s why manual transmissions ABSOLUTELY shouldn’t die”.

Yet in many very critical applications (air travel, space flight, weapons, and scuba) people all choose to PRIMARILY depend on the computer, but maintain alternative manual workarounds for the very rare times (i.e. emergencies) they might become necessary.

Since we can’t have a manual transmission sitting next to our paddle shifter, I don’t feel this article does a good job of supporting its bold (clickbait?) headline.

I think choosing a manual transmission ultimately still just comes back to the items I posted earlier. Nostalgia (it feels better), bravado, and stubbornness... OR “investment value”, which has nothing to do with driving nor skill :-)

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I would disagree. We're just one step from self driving cars. They already know we're too stupid to know when to brake, when it's safe to change lanes, etc. Those controls and more will be standard equipment on all cars soon, especially Super Cars. Flipper paddles are boring as hell when compared to three pedals, and it certainly takes much more skill to master than a finger pull. The computer won't let you make a mistake, consequently you are just going along for the ride, you will never master driving or become one with any car with all this crap on it. So when all this takes place what will you say then, oh this is a much better experience?

Too bad, manual cars will be laughed at like a steam engine before long, by "Riders" in other cars.
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you will never master driving or become one with any car with all this crap on it. So when all this takes place what will you say then, oh this is a much better experience?

So as devil’s advocate (and long time manual lover)... why must “mastering driving” include one’s arms & legs flailing about the cabin?

What is the desired outcome of driving? Effectiveness... or feelings?

From the above sentiment... you prioritize warm fuzzy feelings (nostalgia) above other valuable aspects of driving.

Nothing wrong with that... but only a small % of humans feel the same. That’s just how it is. Not enough people give a crap, and will take all possible aids to get from point A to point B safely while streaming the Kardashians and drinking a slurpee.

Makes me wonder how many “be one with the machine” crowd ride motorcycles, or even better... bicycles. Not only are you responsible for shifting gears, you have to counteract the gyroscopic effect of the front wheel to steer, manually provide fore/aft weight distribution, braking bias between front & rear wheels with different controls, AND you’re also the motor! Lol. Walk the talk?

While I fully agree that driving a manual car is entertaining, I still don’t think a solid case is being made for why manual transmission ABSOLUTELY shouldn’t die.

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Well I don't know the heck you just said, but I leave it that.
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Not the right analogy because both approaches & tools can exist side by side.

Not so with a manual gearbox.

The article title says “here’s why manual transmissions ABSOLUTELY shouldn’t die”.

Yet in many very critical applications (air travel, space flight, weapons, and scuba) people all choose to PRIMARILY depend on the computer, but maintain alternative manual workarounds for the very rare times (i.e. emergencies) they might become necessary.

Since we can’t have a manual transmission sitting next to our paddle shifter, I don’t feel this article does a good job of supporting its bold (clickbait?) headline.

I think choosing a manual transmission ultimately still just comes back to the items I posted earlier. Nostalgia (it feels better), bravado, and stubbornness... OR “investment value”, which has nothing to do with driving nor skill :-)
Filter it down it IS about driving and skill. That is correct.
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There is no right or wrong answer. It comes to personal preference.

I understand and agree with the comments about a manual providing more “connection” to your machine versus real-time, computer-controlled shifting decisions made via e-gear. I also know that, having had e-gear (and now converting to manual), e-gear is a freaking blast to drive.

Just need to figure out what floats your boat and choose accordingly.
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