Imo, the Urus is the more flamboyant and better looking car, but the GT is the better car.

 

I mean, the performance of them are irrelevant, considering that Plaid walked away from them like a spaceship.

Performante is dissapointing, "S" seems to be the sweet spot.

 

I mean, the performance of them are irrelevant, considering that Plaid walked away from them like a spaceship.

Performante is dissapointing, "S" seems to be the sweet spot.

Imo, it's perfectly relevant if you're comparing ICE vehicles.

 

Test drove the UPerf the other day (I have a deposit on one). Kind of felt underwhelmed with the experience especially considering the $$$. I was expecting better engine note (I'm sure it sounds louder outside but inside the cabin I found no real difference from the standard) and steering still too light with minimal feedback.

 

Overall I think Lambo did not do enough to the make the Perf or S special or class leading. When the Urus came years ago it was the only "Super SUV" but as demonstrated from the video the ICE competitors have caught up and even gone beyond (in a drag race anyway). 16 Horsepower more than outgoing model that was released almost 5 years ago is not going to make a discernible difference regardless of carbon hood.

 

And the Turbo S leaves the A and H in the dust. What's your point?

 

The 911 and the Huracan are different cars. There is no "easy way" to just upgrade the Huracan / Aventador to be faster than the very new 992 Turbo S.

The Cayenne Turbo GT and Urus on the other hand both use the same VW MLB Evo platform and a turbo charged enginge. In this case it would have been easy and very cheap for Lambo to get more power out of the Urus. It is the most expensive SUV in the VW Group through all their brands, so it puzzles me why they would accept such a ****ty performance from it.



I think the only explanation is EU homologations, which just don't allow for more power or other changes to the current Urus series.
But instead of settling for just a regular Facelift (named Urus S) they wanted to milk it anyways and for that they released a second version, changed it by 1% and gave it an already established name: Performante. Easy 30k (+ the savings on the air-suspension).


I will drive the S and Perf next week and after that i might change my mind, but for right now i have to say the Urus Perf is a bad deal. There is just no rational way (besides going on the track with an SUV) to defend what Lambo did here and i think more and more people will realise that and it will decrese the value of the car (and the Performante badge) over time.

 

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Very impressive. And far more important, to some.

 

It was a very impressive Brake Test for the Perf!

 

The Perf wasn't marketed as the fastest 0-60 SUV, it was always marketed as the best handling SUV hence why the claim to fame for the Perf was the Pike Peaks record.

 

And i bet they could have achieved the same record with the Urus S ..

There just wasn't any need for the Urus Performante in addition to the S. But when they release both, then they have to make a distinction between them, and that they didn't do (enough).

(And that's just the issue regarding lamborghini internally .. the other issue of being worse than the competition is on top of that)

 

The point I was trying to make was the 0-60 times across the H variants are very similar, same with the A so did we really expect the S/Perf to take a massive leap forward in terms of straight line performance? Lambo has made it clear they're not interesting in improving or chasing 0-60 times.

 

@Huracaan Urus was bragged as the fastest SUV when it came out. Not comparing to Tesla. ICE SUVs only.
Lambo knew everyone expected its Performante to be beating current ICE SUVs. I did and everyone I know did too.

Just look at it, more power and less weight it barely beat heavy BMW SUV and Cayenne GT Turbo completely destroyed it. That just looks bad!!!

VW updated Porsche with better turbos and other things. Also it launches much better too. Next year or two Porsche will have a facelift and that distance will get even bigger.

 

@Huracaan Urus was bragged as the fastest SUV when it came out. Not comparing to Tesla. ICE SUVs only.
Lambo knew everyone expected its Performante to be beating current ICE SUVs. I did and everyone I know did too.

Just look at it, more power and less weight it barely beat heavy BMW SUV and Cayenne GT Turbo completely destroyed it. That just looks bad!!!

VW updated Porsche with better turbos and other things. Also it launches much better too. Next year or two Porsche will have a facelift and that distance will get even bigger.

That was back in 2018, a lot has changed. And read the article below and you're understand why Lambo has given up chasing 0-60 times...

Lamborghini Doesn't Care About Acceleration And Top Speed Anymore

Lamborghini says screw 0 to 60.

carbuzz.com

And like I posted above the U Perf wasn't marketed as the fastest ICE SUV. Lambo never mentioned that nor did they mention 0-60 times. They did however talk about been the best handling SUV so again I don't see why all the outrage.

You're going to be disappointed with the brand moving forward if you're hell bent about 0-60 times because it doesn't seem like that's the brands focus anymore.

 

Again deep inside we all know we expected Urus P to be faster.
Now we just finding an explanation why it did not!

It is still best looking SUV imo and I will buy it for that. Let others be faster in straights line, corners or any other test. Lambo knows they will sell them so why bother making it much faster in straight line.

If Cayenne Turbo GT beats it on a track, which I think is very possible we will then hear statements like Urus P was not focusing on track either.

 

I personally can care less if the Perf is faster. I never floor my current Urus anyway. I can understand why someone wants the fastest SUV but I personally don’t. Urus Perf looks way better than the S, handles better, etc.

 

If you want the Tesla or Porsche or BMW or Mercedes over a Urus, then by all means get it. And then pls report back to this group on what anonymity and depreciation feels like.

 

I don’t have a dog in this fight but my wife thinks a Urus is a VW and never notices them. I have to point them out. They don’t have the presence of a Lambo car to non-car people. You’re reaching.

 

No matter what happens, I am and will continue to be a Lamborghini brand loyalist. I was buying the facelifted Urus no matter the performance because of the following reasons...
1. Design
2. Sound
3. Depreciation is at a minimum and values stay strong (for now)
4. Brand Loyalty

I agree with @Jr Mint in regards to flooring it anywhere I go, just dangerous and irresponsible on public roads. But I completely understand why a lot of people care about performance because we all want Lamborghini to be at the top of the list in terms of performance, desirability, speed, brand recognition, design and exclusivity. Was I a little disappointed? Yes, because VAG has the tech and resources to greatly improve the Urus and keep it at the top of the Super Suv category. Btw, I know there are Porsche fans here and I understand why, its a great car all around. But Lamborghini should outdo Porsche in every aspect in every single automotive measurement.

At the end of the day, all of us in this chat love Lamborghini and only want the Brand to be the best. I'm sure that's at least one thing we can all agree on

 

No matter what happens, I am and will continue to be a Lamborghini brand loyalist. I was buying the facelifted Urus no matter the performance because of the following reasons...
1. Design
2. Sound
3. Depreciation is at a minimum and values stay strong (for now)
4. Brand Loyalty

I agree with @Jr Mint in regards to flooring it anywhere I go, just dangerous and irresponsible on public roads. But I completely understand why a lot of people care about performance because we all want Lamborghini to be at the top of the list in terms of performance, desirability, speed, brand recognition, design and exclusivity. Was I a little disappointed? Yes, because VAG has the tech and resources to greatly improve the Urus and keep it at the top of the Super Suv category. Btw, I know there are Porsche fans here and I understand why, its a great car all around. But Lamborghini should outdo Porsche in every aspect in every single automotive measurement.

At the end of the day, all of us in this chat love Lamborghini and only want the Brand to be the best. I'm sure that's at least one thing we can all agree on

Well said! We all love Lamborghini and we absolutely would love to see them win in acceleration tests and any other comparisons.

You right VAG has resources but for some reason they decided to not update Urus as much as they have done with Posche Cayenne. Probably assuming that Urus will be sold out anyway hence make more margin per car.

 

Doesn’t notice?? Lol - use your FSA and buy her some glasses.

 

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The carbon hood actually looks pretty good on the Perf. I think because it's not the entire hood it looks even better.

 

I have a 2015 Huracan 610 and a 2022 STO and have owned numerous exotics and muscle cars back in the day.. I have never found horsepower in a large car to be the least bit exciting and handling isn't too thrilling either. Adding "performance" to a big car seems like a waste and is detrimental to ride and noise level. Obviously, most here will disagree. That said the Urus looks cool!

 

Old Urus vs UP

 

Performante outstanding results. Should be in a hall of fame!

 

 

Finally a positive video about the Urus P. Mat Watson seems like an Urus hater tbh.

 

There is only a 16hp difference so I don't expect the performance to be noticeably different. This guy says it feels faster but that could just be the exhaust. The difference might be on a road course but that's about it.

 

I drove Performante and it definitely felt faster than my regular Urus. Shorter gear changes perhaps and some other minor improvements. I will be picking up Urus S next week to compare.

 

Wow this is embarrassing

 

The biggest difference vs. the Cayenne Turbo GT is tires. Considering the performante is on 23s it wouldn't have the semislick (it has PZEROs if you option 23s) tires whereas the Turbo GT would have the new Corsa tires.

I'm amazed that the x5m can keep up.
That is a shame.

 

That is true, but I have this feeling the Turbo GT would still beat with the same tires

 

and the urus is the lightest of the bunch

 

I just want to add that I don’t think this is true. My ‘19 Urus weighed in at 2380kg while SavageGeese weighed the Turbo GT at 2270kg. I’m not sure the actual weight loss in the P is enough to mitigate that.