[wiz357]

While at the 40th Anniversary in Sant' Agata, I over heard someone that Lamboghini has some kind of restoration shop available to Lambo owners. Anyone heard of this?

If this is true, does anyone know how to go about exporting and importing the the same car? This is just hypothetical. What if I'm to buy a Miura that needs a complete restoration. I send it to Sant' Agata for ground up resto. Let's say, after a year the project is finished. Obviously, I want my car back here in the US. Would I have to deal with EPA and DOT? How about Customs? What kind of Customs due am I looking at? I pose this question for cars of any make or model. It could be an F car going to Maranello for full restoration or a P-car to Stuttgart.

 

[SI LAMBO]

I was told that several factory workers went on their own, but work in conjuction with the factory doing complete restorations. They do only two a year and are very expensive.

Regarding epa and duties. If you send your American car (registration in the USA) anywhere to be restored outside the country, you need to pay duties on the return trip. Depending on which country and their treaty with the USA, when returning the car back into the USA you may have to pay. I've seen countries charge between 5% to 95% on the restoration price. You can call their embassy, they are usually very helpful.

Usually, no duties going into the country for a restoration. Sometimes they make you pay and you get it back when you exit the country. Most countries don't want you selling the car there without paying a duty. For example, I wanted to take my car to Australia for an extended business trip, if I didn't register the car in my name for two years, and sold the car in Australia prior to the second year, I would have to pay 95% of the market value as a duty. They even wanted the 95% up front. I left the car home.

Many legal ways around all of this. Ship the car to a different country before and after sending it back home. Register it in a country with a favorable treaty. Also, pay cash, or from an overseas account. Or just, pay the fees. Also, they charge based on values. If you car goes in at say $200,000, after the $100,000 restoration it may still be only worth $225,000...get the picture.

When the car is returned to the USA, it needs to be inspected and pass the usual epa bull....

Not very complicated, but I would get a professional to handle the paperwork before you do anything. You don't want your car sitting in a warehouse or on a pier for a year waiting for the proper approvals or paperwork.

 

[ltadmin]

Get an estimate.

I might be willing to part with mine that runs, drives and comes with first place crystal alraeady!!!

 

[Guest]

Here's the deal JRV. With all due respect to the factory, and I do mean that.

I was over there in July and Giorgio Gamberini, who is head of restoration and president of the registro, gave me a lengthy tour. He's a very nice guy, and I again spoke to him for another hour at Concorso.

Bottom line is they have about 2 rooms for restoration. Gary Bobileff's place is 2-3 times bigger -- maybe more. There were a couple of cars there, an Espada and some sort of race Diablo that had obviously hit the wall pretty hard. And a 400gt. But that's it.

They claim that they are going to be training more mechanics for the older cars, and that they are going to be doing more restorations. Maybe they will, maybe they won't -- that's how I see it. They have the racing boat motor shop and storage next to restoration, and that's the only place they'd really have to expand.

The biggest problem they are going to face over there is room. They just don't have it. They all talked about needing more room when I was over there.

That's about it. I'd call their restoration department "small." Maybe "modest." I was really expecting something more substantial.

Cheers,

Fred

PS: I have photos if you want to see.

 

[raymond]

Fred,

please post pictures...
The 400 GT is for sure the one which was already there in 2001 at the Murci presentation, what the reason for such a long resto might be?
Perhaps they have no time, perhaps the owner wants a slow resto to pay the bills monthly or, or
Nobody knows but I ask myself if the resto shop does now all the client services which was till 2004 in the old building right after the big priduction hall.

 

[ltadmin]

Here's the deal JRV. With all due respect to the factory, and I do mean that.

I was over there in July and Giorgio Gamberini, who is head of restoration and president of the registro, gave me a lengthy tour. He's a very nice guy, and I again spoke to him for another hour at Concorso.

Bottom line is they have about 2 rooms for restoration. Gary Bobileff's place is 2-3 times bigger -- maybe more. There were a couple of cars there, an Espada and some sort of race Diablo that had obviously hit the wall pretty hard. And a 400gt. But that's it.

They claim that they are going to be training more mechanics for the older cars, and that they are going to be doing more restorations. Maybe they will, maybe they won't -- that's how I see it. They have the racing boat motor shop and storage next to restoration, and that's the only place they'd really have to expand.

The biggest problem they are going to face over there is room. They just don't have it. They all talked about needing more room when I was over there.

That's about it. I'd call their restoration department "small." Maybe "modest." I was really expecting something more substantial.

Cheers,

Fred

PS: I have photos if you want to see.

Fred,

That's all nice and well. Intentions are wonderful, I'm sure I even have a few.. I guess the difference is some of us no accounts have already put our time, effort and money where our mouth that don't count was!!!! You can come see my Miura any time and my awards, no thanks to the Factoty

BTW: that Clutch Issue that Ferrucicio was pissed off about, have they gor it resovleved yet ..and if not why not...40 yrs seems like enogh time to rewsolve a clutch issue aye????

 

[ltadmin]

Since you got me on the subject, let me mention that the Factory couldn't even supply spare parts for the Miuras when the they were new, let alone now, and they can barely supply parts for Murcis now as it is!!! This is not the type of Co. that one one can fall back on in a time of need that's for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My Crystal is all about MY PERSERVERANCE Over the Mountain of BS I had to endure!!!

and in case you forgot who I am, do a search on both yayhooo lists for Cartegana12000...

 

[raymond]

I know the guy who is supporting the factory with spare parts, he isn't cheap but at least he can organize the parts...

It's no wonder the factory has no parts, first they had to build cars like mad (1967-1971) then with the oil crises they had no more money.
They even sold their prototypes like the Miura Jota, Jarama Bob and so on, done so don't expect them to have a large spare parts availability...

 

[wiz357]

Thanks guys. What I was really looking for was a way to export a car have it restored elsewhere and bring it back home. It does not particularly have to be a Lambo. John P seems to have answered my question. If ever I do buy a Miura, I don't think I'll ship it to the factory to have it restored. I will want to be able to see the restoration process progress. Having it in Italy makes it harder and more expensive for me to check up on the car. Bobileff is only 7 miles away from me. Thats make him a perfect candidate for any restoration I might need. Plus, he is well known Miura restorer. However, within the last few years, his reputation has not been up and up. If I ever end up buying a Miura, not that I'm planning to in the near future, I would probably have JR take care of it for me.

 

[ltadmin]

Ray,

Lambo has been in and out of BK a half dozen times in the last 20 yrs!!! I;ve been a freak even longer than that, so I'm not listening to BS, cause I been here!!!!

My Question is .....Daddy WaR Bucks is on board, WHERE ARE THE PARTS AND SERVICE!?!?!?

I put up with BS for 30 yrs, now what's the excuse????

 

[raymond]

Once you plan to have a car restored in Italy you don't even need to consider the factory as a standalone possibility.
There are many former mechanics who produced the cars themselves, Faggion is a known example, they have now their own garages.
They maintain and restore cars as well and for sure not worse than the factory, keep in mind they also know all shop which produced the parts...

BTW where is Bobileff located I will definitely visit him once I come over to the states, next years Pocono would be a great time.

 

[ltadmin]

I'm not trying to start an argumemt here. But when someome tries to insinuate that the Lamborghini Factory after 40 yrs of BK and Recievership can be your friend and help you and supply parts, I will definately step up to the plate with an experience that has spanned 30 yrs and it's perserverance over help!!! You love these cars or you don't but there is no way to make a silk purse out of a sours ear!

 

[ltadmin]

Hey,

How bout the Factory Restoration Center Gear up for some Jalpa's and Euracos....they could start by offering valve adjust shims , it would be nice if "THE FACTORY" could ay least adjist the valves during a big buck resto ...that seems cheap and easy enough!!!

 

[wiz357]

Once you plan to have a car restored in Italy you don't even need to consider the factory as a standalone possibility.
There are many former mechanics who produced the cars themselves, Faggion is a known example, they have now their own garages.
They maintain and restore cars as well and for sure not worse than the factory, keep in mind they also know all shop which produced the parts...

BTW where is Bobileff located I will definitely visit him once I come over to the states, next years Pocono would be a great time.

RaymondQV,

Bobileff is in San Diego, CA. Quite a long ways from Pocono. Try to come here in October. That is when the San Diego Lambo meet takes place. You'll get to see some of the LCA guys like Heady, Fox and Riddell.

 

[terryjoint]

I have been waiting for two months for the factory to come back to me with an estimate ( not a quote) on my C/T.
They have promissed many times to come back to me but I am still waiting.
Perhaps with the strength of the Euro against the USD I should send it to some shop over there ??
The shop in Madrid quoted Euros 23,000 about USD28,750, for a complete re paint and re leather along with some small mechanical bits. They want the car for 6 to 9 months !!