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:unsure: Just a WAG Angel but sounds like you're into natural immunity..........and the flip side and in the present context................what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. :giggle: Watch out for the former.
 

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:unsure: Just a WAG Angel but sounds like you're into natural immunity..........and the flip side and in the present context................what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. :giggle: Watch out for the former.
No I’m not.
I’m very, very adamant that big government stay the F out of making medical decisions, like injecting everyone with experimental chemicals.

look, science and the data indicates that 1/3rd to half of the US population has already got covid. Those people have natural immunity. For decades, science has always said natural immunity is the best form of immunity. But suddenly NOW, under the direction of big government, they are ignoring natural immunity. They are now saying you will not work for the government EVEN if you have natural immunity. WTF.

do you not understand the sh*t storm, that directive is causing in the US?

just this past week, high level employees at the FDA are resigning because Biden’s administration is jumping the gun on booster shots.

Government is now rushing experimental drugs that the FDA has jurisdiction of. THAT IS A RECIPE FOR DISASTER.
 

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^^I see your prospective and concern but I think this falls under the heading of the wisdom to know the difference. So, how are you proposing we change things? Last time I checked storming the Capital building is off the table.
 

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^^I see your prospective and concern but I think this falls under the heading of the wisdom to know the difference. So, how are you proposing we change things? Last time I checked storming the Capital building is off the table.
The Supreme Court needs to start doing its job. Now ask yourself this… why on Gs green earth did the CDC have the authority to prevent landlords from evicting non paying tenants? If they could do that, then why shouldn’t the CDC tell mortgage holders, that they do not need to pay their mortgage to the banks? Heck, why not let the CDC just tell everyone, they don’t need to pay taxes?

it’s one big cluster freak.

turning a non elected division of the government (CDC), into the gestapo, running around punishing citizens.

now that the Supreme Court has ruled that the CDCs ‘eviction moratorium’ is unconstitutional, Biden is now looking to circumvent that ruling. Just as he’s trying to circumvent the stay in Mexico ruing.

listen, when the Supreme Court is over throwing everything your administration is trying to do, just maybe you’re a socialist commie.
 

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This is the largest study done on natural immunity vs. vaccine immunity….note it’s 13x better against the delta variant than Pfizer vaccine. It does say that natural immunity can benefit from a booster shot. That said, the CDC and government should NOT discriminate against people that have natural immunity. It’s a disgrace.

“ the researchers conclude that "natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-COV-2, compared to the... two-dose vaccine-induced immunity." In addition, those who were previously infected with the Wuhan coronavirus and subsequently received one dose of the Pfizer vaccine "gained additional protection against the Delta variant."

 

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There is no such thing as natural immunity. There are thousands of people out there that have gotten covid multiple times. Just because you get it once does not mean you won’t get it again with a different variant. Just like with the vaccine, neither is a perfect solution. The best option is to vaccinate. If you get covid, vaccinate anyways. Since when do people care what is injected in them? They’ll go eat a Mcdonalds sandwich that’s basically all chemicals but won’t take a shot that likely will keep them alive if they catch a virus.
 

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There is no such thing as natural immunity. There are thousands of people out there that have gotten covid multiple times. Just because you get it once does not mean you won’t get it again with a different variant. Just like with the vaccine, neither is a perfect solution. The best option is to vaccinate. If you get covid, vaccinate anyways. Since when do people care what is injected in them? They’ll go eat a Mcdonalds sandwich that’s basically all chemicals but won’t take a shot that likely will keep them alive if they catch a virus.
What a great truth. I have a friend that is a non-vaccer, he eats total crap food and drinks like a fish, but he would sooner die than get the shot.
 

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There is no such thing as natural immunity. There are thousands of people out there that have gotten covid multiple times. Just because you get it once does not mean you won’t get it again with a different variant. Just like with the vaccine, neither is a perfect solution. The best option is to vaccinate. If you get covid, vaccinate anyways. Since when do people care what is injected in them? They’ll go eat a Mcdonalds sandwich that’s basically all chemicals but won’t take a shot that likely will keep them alive if they catch a virus.
It’s obvious that natural immunity or a vaccine will work and still have people get covid.

The studies clearly show that people that have had covid, have far greater immunity to covid than people that got the vaccine. The duration of that immunity is also superior.

government AND the vaccine freaks should not discriminate against people with natural immunity(people that have covid antibodies from a prior covid infection)

nothing bombastic about it, nor is it a conspiracy theory. It’s science. Plain and simple.
 

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My wife was paralyzed for about 4 hours from the vaccine. My father got a small stroke from his, and hasn’t been quite the same. My wife was advised not to get the second shot, but now because of the way things are, she doesn’t qualify for a vaccine ID card and so won’t be able to go see my son perform in a special needs play (he has cerebral palsy). My son is vaccinated, I’ve decided to hold off for now, I like still having the option to not take this shot. I’ve gotten loads of shots in the past, especially before traveling abroad. I simply don’t trust this Gov, the CDC, the WHO, etc. I don’t trust their motives, their data, anything. If this is with us forever anyway, and I haven’t got it yet (been tested), then I figure I’ll wait another year or so and if they still suggest the same thing with better data at that time, then I’ll get the shot. I’m in no rush because their are lots of other smart steps someone can take to protect themselves and I’m pretty much a natural at social distancing. :)
 

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#1 It's ONE Israeli study not MULTIPLE studies that proposes natural immunity to COVID is superior to full vaccination.

The alarming aspect of the Israeli study (which no one is espousing here) is the impression that it’s safer to get COVID-19 and hope to recover than to try to avoid it by getting vaccinated.

#2 This same Israeli study HAS SIGNIFICANT FLAWS WHICH THE ISRAELI AUTHORS ACKNOWLEDGED after being posted Aug. 25 to the medRxiv preprint server, which means it has not been peer-reviewed and “has not yet been accepted or endorsed in any way by the scientific or medical community.”

"Analysis only assessed protection from the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine “and therefore does not address other vaccines or long-term protection following a third dose". The authors need to do a comparison between Natural Immunity vs those who received 3 injections including the booster shot and with Moderna and J&J vaccines.

"Authors say because they conducted an “observational real-world study,” where polymerase chain reaction, or PCR, screening for the coronavirus was not required, “we might be underestimating asymptomatic infections, as these individuals often do not get tested"

"The Israeli testing aspect was perhaps “the biggest limitation of the study,” according to Natalie Dean, an Emory University biostatistician, who was quoted in an Aug. 26 Science article about the study. “That means, she says, that comparisons could be confounded if, for example, previously infected people who developed mild symptoms were less likely to get tested than vaccinated people, perhaps because they think they are immune,” Science reported."

#3 The authors of this same Israeli study ARE STILL PRO- VACCINATION IN THOSE PREVIOUSLY INFECTED

"Previously infected people benefited from vaccination, as those who received a single dose of the vaccine were about half as likely (0.53 fold) to be reinfected as those who did not get the shot. The single dose vaccinees also had fewer recorded cases of symptomatic disease (16) than their unvaccinated counterparts (23)"

The Israeli study "found even greater immunity against the delta variant for people who got a single shot of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine and had an infection with the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19"

THOSE WHO ARE CHAMPIONING THIS ISRAELI STUDY AS ANTI-VACCINATION ARE IGNORANT OF THE AUTHORS' PRO-VACCINATION RECOMMENDATION EVEN IN THOSE PREVIOUSLY INFECTED

Bottom line even if you've been infected and have more effective Natural Immunity compared to Vaccine Induced Immunity, you still should get the shot according to the Israeli authors.

Whether Natural Immunity is superior to Vaccine Induced Immunity is still up for debate. I'll wait for more and better-designed studies to be published in peer-reviewed medical journals.
 

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#1 It's ONE Israeli study not MULTIPLE studies that proposes natural immunity to COVID is superior to full vaccination.

The alarming aspect of the Israeli study (which no one is espousing here) is the impression that it’s safer to get COVID-19 and hope to recover than to try to avoid it by getting vaccinated.

#2 This same Israeli study HAS SIGNIFICANT FLAWS WHICH THE ISRAELI AUTHORS ACKNOWLEDGED after being posted Aug. 25 to the medRxiv preprint server, which means it has not been peer-reviewed and “has not yet been accepted or endorsed in any way by the scientific or medical community.”

"Analysis only assessed protection from the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine “and therefore does not address other vaccines or long-term protection following a third dose". The authors need to do a comparison between Natural Immunity vs those who received 3 injections including the booster shot and with Moderna and J&J vaccines.

"Authors say because they conducted an “observational real-world study,” where polymerase chain reaction, or PCR, screening for the coronavirus was not required, “we might be underestimating asymptomatic infections, as these individuals often do not get tested"

"The Israeli testing aspect was perhaps “the biggest limitation of the study,” according to Natalie Dean, an Emory University biostatistician, who was quoted in an Aug. 26 Science article about the study. “That means, she says, that comparisons could be confounded if, for example, previously infected people who developed mild symptoms were less likely to get tested than vaccinated people, perhaps because they think they are immune,” Science reported."

#3 The authors of this same Israeli study ARE STILL PRO- VACCINATION IN THOSE PREVIOUSLY INFECTED

"Previously infected people benefited from vaccination, as those who received a single dose of the vaccine were about half as likely (0.53 fold) to be reinfected as those who did not get the shot. The single dose vaccinees also had fewer recorded cases of symptomatic disease (16) than their unvaccinated counterparts (23)"

The Israeli study "found even greater immunity against the delta variant for people who got a single shot of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine and had an infection with the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19"

THOSE WHO ARE CHAMPIONING THIS ISRAELI STUDY AS ANTI-VACCINATION ARE IGNORANT OF THE AUTHORS' PRO-VACCINATION RECOMMENDATION EVEN IN THOSE PREVIOUSLY INFECTED

Bottom line even if you've been infected and have more effective Natural Immunity compared to Vaccine Induced Immunity, you still should get the shot according to the Israeli authors.

Whether Natural Immunity is superior to Vaccine Induced Immunity is still up for debate. I'll wait for more and better-designed studies to be published in peer-reviewed medical journals.
Our government and medical institutions ARE IGNORING NATURAL IMMUNITY for covid.

that is a big freaking deal. That single action is causing the conspiracy folks NOT to get the vaccine.

whether or not you get the vaccine or get antibodies from an infection, the only thing that should matter is if you have enough antibodies to prevent you from dying or to pose a serious threat to infect others. PERIOD.

so, we are almost 2 FREAKING years into this sh storm AND the CDC and big government twiddles it’s thumbs not being forthcoming with DATA. I.e what is the specific amount of antibodies that makes a person qualified to walk the planet without mandates and forced needle stabbing?

insert the sounds of crickets

now of course, Biden’s administration is so gun ho to get boosters going, 2 top FDA officials have just resigned. Those officials think the FDA and its processes are being circumvented in favor of political pressure….. GREAT! now we have more conspiracy fuel to get more people to avoid the vaccines or boosters.

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Boxer Oscar de la Hoya is in the hospital for covid, DESPITE being fully vaccinated. Geez, I guess Biden was wrong when he said on National TV “if you get the vaccine, you won’t get covid”
 

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Meh De La Hoya is a has been waxed by Pacquiao 13 years ago in his last meaningful fight.

FACT

In my state of the roughly 2,400 so-called “breakthrough” cases among vaccinated residents, just 68 were hospitalized and eight died

Breakthrough cases represent about .3% of the vaccinated population.

Since January, 93% of COVID cases have been among unvaccinated people."

This makes me LOL

"A conservative Florida radio host who spoke out against Covid-19 vaccines died after a weekslong fight with the virus, marking the third radio personality to die from coronavirus who publicly rejected vaccines."


STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES

Where's Johnny2012 to defend himself?

Not 6 feet underground I hope
 

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Every person that gets covid and spends a single night in the hospital, should immediately be given regeneron. Apparently physicians still have their heads in the sand.

Also, I still haven’t heard a single announcement from big government, or the CDC about how being obese, is a direct path to death if you get covid. Why? I thought we are all in this thing to save lives? So what, if it offends people . Give them the statistics (90% of covid deaths are obese related).
Why is it so hard the get the medical facts about covid into the public eyes?
 

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You also make a good point about treatment. I’m aware of only a few cases in detail, but in each case, the patient was denied all of the treatment which is known to help deal with COVID. Vaccine or not. It’s like once someone gets it, the docs just let them suffer, causing way more deaths than necessary.
 

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Here is a good review article of the vaccine and discussion of the rationale for a booster injection. I thought it would be a good summary for those still actively debating whether they will seek that third installment.
Stay Safe out there whatever your decision!


 

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Here is a good review article of the vaccine and discussion of the rationale for a booster injection. I thought it would be a good summary for those still actively debating whether they will seek that third installment.
Stay Safe out there whatever your decision!



Thank you!
 

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Quite welcome. ;)
 

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@AngelOfMurci, not to upset you any further especially after being shot 5 times ;) but if you haven't read this story I thought you would find it compelling. It is the story of the 153 nurses in a Houston hospital that refused to take the COVID vaccine and their subsequent termination from said hospital. As it stands now, the US District court dismissed the nurses lawsuit and currently they are appealing the ruling; more to follow but, alas, I do not extend them much hope or sympathy.


 

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You also make a good point about treatment. I’m aware of only a few cases in detail, but in each case, the patient was denied all of the treatment which is known to help deal with COVID. Vaccine or not. It’s like once someone gets it, the docs just let them suffer, causing way more deaths than necessary.
Regeneron pop-up clinics are becoming more prevalent in some states. Apparently there is a surplus of Regeneron so its not due to lack of product.

"In interviews, experts cited a federal government that has not done enough to promote monoclonal antibodies alongside vaccines; logistical issues that can make delivery of the drugs complicated and costly for medical facilities; and the difficulties the pandemic presents for providers of all kinds of medical care."

Regeneron is not a panacea and did not help my cousin although he was on the ventilator already.

Regeneron decreases rate of hospitalization/severe disease if administered ASAP once a patient exhibits symptoms ideally within 7 days.

Also effective prophylactically for the asymptomatic patient at high risk for serious disease ie cancer patient who was exposed to COVID.

Also reduced by 20% the 28-day mortality of people admitted to hospital with COVID-19 whose immune system had not mounted an antibody response, known as seronegative.

Unfortunately no discernible effect in hospitalized patients who had generated natural antibody responses known as seropositive. This makes sense as these patients already make enough antibodies on their own.
 

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Regeneron is not a panacea and did not help my cousin although he was on the ventilator already.
Wow, just making that statement is so wrong on so many levels. It shows that the doctors and you are completely clueless on what Regeneron does. It's simple, it stops the virus in its tracks. If the virus has had free run of the body to damage cells for days or weeks, Regeneron isn't going to help you. It doesn't regenerate your body, it kills the virus. How freaking hard is that to understand??? By the time you are on a ventilator, the virus is usually already gone from your body, but the severe damage is done.

People need to know they should take Regeneron as soon as they get Covid, and no, they don't know if Covid will be mild or severe for them, so you can't roll the dice to "wait and see" before you decide to get Regeneron and then expect it to help. Doctors need to learn the same, but in reality, they'll make a lot more money when a machine is ripping up your lungs than if you get a quick IV.
 
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