[RobH]

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Lamborghini Murcielago XperTune Performance Software

Lamborghini Murcielago XperTune Performance Software. XperTune Performance software upgrade improves horsepower, torque, and driving characteristics by reprogramming various sensor inputs, air/fuel ratios, and boost pressure.

www.fabspeed.com

 

[doc18015]

Hi RobH ...please let us know when they respond. I just received this from Lambo:
we thank you for your interest in Lamborghini.

We kindly inform you that we cannot authorize the artistic reproduction of our models and their parts for commercial purposes.

However, you can purchase official Lamborghini spare parts and accessories through an authorized Lamborghini Dealer, who will be pleased to answer to your requests.



You can find your nearest Dealer or Service on our locator at the following addresses:

http://www.lamborghini.com/en/dealers/dealer-locator/;

http://www.lamborghini.com/en/service/service-network/service-locator/.

With best regards,

Valentina

Automobili Lamborghini S.p.A.
Customer Care
V‌ia Modena, 12
I‌-40019 Sant'Agata Bolognese (BO)
P‌hone: +‌39 051 9597282
[email protected]

 

[doc18015]

So much for the e-mails to the plant. Next e-mail their management.

 

[RobH]

Hi RobH ...please let us know when they respond. I just received this from Lambo:
we thank you for your interest in Lamborghini.

We kindly inform you that we cannot authorize the artistic reproduction of our models and their parts for commercial purposes.

However, you can purchase official Lamborghini spare parts and accessories through an authorized Lamborghini Dealer, who will be pleased to answer to your requests.



You can find your nearest Dealer or Service on our locator at the following addresses:

http://www.lamborghini.com/en/dealers/dealer-locator/;

http://www.lamborghini.com/en/service/service-network/service-locator/.

With best regards,

Valentina

Automobili Lamborghini S.p.A.
Customer Care
V‌ia Modena, 12
I‌-40019 Sant'Agata Bolognese (BO)
P‌hone: +‌39 051 9597282
[email protected]

Hi Doc,

Yes, they replied that they are indeed two different tunes that cost the same and have similar gains.

 

[doc18015]

@RobH....Have you ever heard from FabSpeed? Thanks!

 

[Gaius]

Hey Stimpy...you may be on to the solution to the headache. Once done, after getting the costs for the new OEM parts from Lambo plant at $61,000 (they included the $38,000 for the transmission replacement for some reason) the carbon fiber option is looking much better.
ow is a list of parts I could come up with that I'd imagine you would need for the conversion. Again, since we haven't done something like this in house, I don't have the exact list of parts needed.



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Forgive my ignorance but where is the shifter assembly in that parts list?
And the assenbly that connects the shifter to the trans?

I see a new throw out bearing, clutch, and pedal but where's the stuff that connects them? Master cylinder, slave cylinder, hydraulic lines?
And speaking of the clutch pedal, I do not believe you can just bolt that pedal on to an eGear. I believe you need a whole new pedal box.

 

[doc18015]

My understanding and as witness "Driftworks" video on you tube, they are generic and can be retrofitted. The third pedal is also shown as a brake pedal cut down and refitted as a clutch pedal. I suppose that having the OEM parts as you request can be accomplished, it adds severely to the final price.

 

[doc18015]

I have also heard from a third supplier in Italy.....approx. 10-15 % less than the original quote; supposedly all OEM factory direct.

 

[RobH]

Forgive my ignorance but where is the shifter assembly in that parts list?
And the assenbly that connects the shifter to the trans?

I see a new throw out bearing, clutch, and pedal but where's the stuff that connects them? Master cylinder, slave cylinder, hydraulic lines?
And speaking of the clutch pedal, I do not believe you can just bolt that pedal on to an eGear. I believe you need a whole new pedal box.

Hi Gaius,

There’s quite a few more parts needed if you want to make it a “factory conversion.” The entire center tunnel/armrest needs to be swapped out. You don’t need change out the entire pedal box, only the clutch/brake pedals, the joint, a footrest and a few other small hardware pieces. There’s also the steering column covers and a different bracket behind them for the non-paddle shifter cars.

 

[RobH]

@RobH....Have you ever heard from FabSpeed? Thanks!

Hi Doc,

Yes, they responded saying that there are two different ECU tunes they have, one for manual cars and one for EGear cars. Is that what you are asking?

 

[doc18015]

@RobH yes and thx! All doable but the $$$$$ keep mounting. I just read a 6 spd factory sold for $940,000 in the EU! Not confirmed but really wild # and, if converted, personal pleasure, not investment, should prevail. I think that all $$$$ invested would return plus 2x at least or more at any given time.

 

[ClickClackShift]

@RobH yes and thx! All doable but the $$$$$ keep mounting. I just read a 6 spd factory sold for $940,000 in the EU! Not confirmed but really wild # and, if converted, personal pleasure, not investment, should prevail. I think that all $$$$ invested would return plus 2x at least or more at any given time.

What year sold for $940,000?

 

[RobH]

@RobH yes and thx! All doable but the $$$$$ keep mounting. I just read a 6 spd factory sold for $940,000 in the EU! Not confirmed but really wild # and, if converted, personal pleasure, not investment, should prevail. I think that all $$$$ invested would return plus 2x at least or more at any given time.

I don’t know or understand how Lamborghini’s pricing works for parts on older models; prices seem to fluctuate on almost a daily bases. I purchsed a manual brake pedal about a year ago for around $235 USD, last week it was priced over $2000, today it’s priced at $900. Then you look at a piece like the footrest…priced over $3000 dollars as of today.

Depending on color schem, mileage and configuration of the car, I could defiantly see a manual selling for that kind of money being possible. I got a notification last week from CarGurus that the 2006 Arancio Atlas Murcielago Roadster that was for sale sold for $299k…I can’t confirm the price, but there are defiantly some configurations more desireable than others; this car was on the market for maybe a month. While other similar cars have been up for sale for months. There’s a clean, low miles (10k) ’03 model in Silver for $370k, do you think this car would still be available at this price if it were Orange?

 

[ClickClackShift]

I don’t know or understand how Lamborghini’s pricing works for parts on older models; prices seem to fluctuate on almost a daily bases. I purchsed a manual brake pedal about a year ago for around $235 USD, last week it was priced over $2000, today it’s priced at $900. Then you look at a piece like the footrest…priced over $3000 dollars as of today.

Depending on color schem, mileage and configuration of the car, I could defiantly see a manual selling for that kind of money being possible. I got a notification last week from CarGurus that the 2006 Arancio Atlas Murcielago Roadster that was for sale sold for $299k…I can’t confirm the price, but there are defiantly some configurations more desireable than others; this car was on the market for maybe a month. While other similar cars have been up for sale for months. There’s a clean, low miles (10k) ’03 model in Silver for $370k, do you think this car would still be available at this price if it were Orange?

That 03 has a lot of, how do I say it nicely. Just look at the redone seats and other modifications.

 

[RobH]

That 03 has a lot of, how do I say it nicely. Just look at the redone seats and other modifications. View attachment 321214

Yeah…not my cup of tea, but then some of us may like to drink buttermilk. But, that’s a lot easier to change than a paint job, right?

 

[doc18015]

I am seeing values for OEM 6 speed Murcies selling for nearly $1MM!!!! Assuming that the value of a conversion is $50-70,000 on the very high side......why not? Much more enjoyment and, no doubt ROI is months, not years and is very, very attractive with resell.

That said, is that why the Lambo factory is hesitating on supplying the assistance? I am personally very disappointed in the factory response. They should be pleased to work with us and see that we are future Lambo buyers and supporters.

Wait, and see???

 

[Stimpy]

That said, is that why the Lambo factory is hesitating on supplying the assistance? I am personally very disappointed in the factory response. They should be pleased to work with us and see that we are future Lambo buyers and supporters.

I am not surprised at all. I am sure if you saw the financials of how much money they could make working on these types of Murci projects vs working on selling more Urus SUVs, as the CEO, you would haven't your people waste a extra second on the old cars.

 

[Gaius]

I am seeing values for OEM 6 speed Murcies selling for nearly $1MM!!!! Assuming that the value of a conversion is $50-70,000 on the very high side......why not? Much more enjoyment and, no doubt ROI is months, not years and is very, very attractive with resell.

That said, is that why the Lambo factory is hesitating on supplying the assistance? I am personally very disappointed in the factory response. They should be pleased to work with us and see that we are future Lambo buyers and supporters.

Wait, and see???

I know most Ferraris see a significant value add from a manual conversion but there's no guarantee that translates to Lamborghinis.


US manual LP Gallardos are almost as rare as manual LP Murcis. When one pops up it sells fast and for at least twice the price of a comparable eGear.

I bring up Gallardos because there are several shops that have done manual conversions, factory computer and all. And we've seen some of those cars go up for sale: they sell slow and they struggle to recoup the cost of the conversion.

For me, the most damning example was a twin turboed, manual converted Verde Ithaca LP Gallardo, being sold by the shop that built it, lingering on the market for months even after they dropped their asking price to 160.

The manual conversion made the car hard to sell and seemingly hurt the sale price. The same may be true of LP Murci conversions.

I still look forward to converting my 07 Roadster to stick, like my 03 Coupe. But I'm under no allusion that it is adding resale value.

 

[RobH]

To Stimpy’s comments…I totally agree, the money Lamborghini makes on selling new model vehicles and parts for them far out weighs what they might make on converting far, far less than 100 cars. Just the sales of parts and repairs on new cars for insurance purposes is easily more that what can be made for converting a few Murcielagos to manual. But Lamborgini will happily sale you the parts to take that task upon yourself.

@Gaius, I do get your point about the post conversion values, but I don’t believe that a Gallardo’s post manual conversion value can be compared to that of a Murcielago’s. To start with, the production numbers of 14,000 Gallardos compared to only 4099 Murcielagos; there are already more manual Gallardos available, combined with the fact they were/are the less expensive car. The cars that I’ve seen having these heavy modifications are usually vehicles that have had a collision, so the resale value is going to be less for that reason too (not saying that this is the case with the vehicle you are refering to). To me, it would be a waste converting a Gallardo to a manual transmision when it seems there’s always several manual cars available for sale (although like you stated…have gone up in asking price).

@doc18015, the value of these (very low production) vehicles is going to continue to go up regardless of the factory configuration, and the rareest of those configations will always be worth more than the others (IMHO). I can say that I was surpriesed at what Stimpy’s car sold for a few months ago. His car went for less than what I thought it would have, as a very well maintaned, presented and popular example; which I attribute to just the timing. I think that maybe a matter of a week or maybe even just a few days would have chaged the sale by + $100k.

I found out that a manual Murcielago wasn’t a “must have” for me due to my available budget (I couldn’t afford an EGear at the time for that mater…), but once I had looked into converting an (EGear) car over, it gave me some ease in my decision. I was patience and found a car with everything I was looking outside of being manual. The timing worked about perfectly as one could hope for (outside of the delivery). Shortly after delivery of the car, I’m searching ebay one day just seeing what’s out there and low and behold...a used, low milage Murcielago manual transmission. I had searched regularly on ebay beforing buying the car and had not found a one. Timing and patience…

 

[doc18015]

We are sitting in 16-degree temps in the NE. My cars have been winterized and as such, the Murcie has not been run in about 6 weeks. On Sunday, I got in the garage to start it and leave it warm up because of the down time, the car refused to go into gear. Stuck in 1st gear as this is the gear of choice when at rest. I had to go through a number of dry run shifts, engine off to finally get it to shift. After a call to Lambo of NJ, I was told that this is normal for all e-gear autos. They asked if i checked the oil; I had, and it was at the top line ( hydro oil ). The joy of e-gear???? Just another reason for me to get the manual in here.