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We now have available one rotor which works both for the track and the street. I have been working tirelessly to bring fitments of Surface Transform's next generation carbon ceramic brakes to market for the Gallardo, Huracán, R8 and RS5. I'm proud to say they are now in production and ready for purchase whether you have the stock CCB package or the base, iron rotor package. I have a fitment for both.

While Lamborghini offers their own CCB option, the OE chopped carbon rotors are known to be problematic and prone to excessive, degrading wear when used on-track. They simply cannot stand up to the heat cycling of a track day necessitating them to be replaced at an extremely high cost.

Enter Surface Transforms rotors. which offer next generational performance, mature technology, currently being used by OE manufacturers. They've been featured on every Koenigsegg since 2004 and are now offered on new McLarens as an upgraded brake package. In fact, the current record-holder at Phillip Island is a McLaren Senna with ST rotors. A full 80% of Sennas were ordered with these rotors at a substantial up-charge.

We have offered them for Porsche, Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes AMG, Nissan GT-R, Ford GT (gen 2) and Aston Martin for years. There have never been fitments for Lamborghini or Audi until now. Older cars with higher miles now have a less expensive path for higher quality, higher performance replacement discs and owners with the base iron brake package that aspire to switch to performance-enhancing carbon ceramics have an option as well.

A few highlights
-15,000+ mile track life
-Can be refurbished twice in their lifetime by a specialized mechanical process which is also affordable
-3X the heat transfer ability vs. OE CCB rotors
-Can be used with "normal" calipers/pistons, no special phenolic pistons needed
-Same weight savings as OE CCB's and substantially lighter than even aftermarket 2-piece rotors like Girodisc.
-Half the cost on average, of their OE CCB equivalent
-Bolt-on, no modifications needed
-Works with the standard 8-piston calipers on iron rotor-equipped vehicles
-Works with the 6-piston 19Z on the CCB-equipped cars, no modifications.
-Growing selection of brake pads for street and track helping to dial in your preferred braking feel
-All of the benefits of OE CCB rotors with none of the downsides
-Outperforms OE CCB's in every measurable performance category
-Improved NVH in street-driven situations
-3X as hard as OE CCB's

COST. The rotors are $6325 per axle (two discs) or $12650 for all four wheels. This is a premium, aspirational product, no doubt about it. But they are, hands down, the best brake rotors on the planet. If you happen to damage your OE discs, or just want to feel safe tracking your car, there's now a more affordable alternative which outperforms OE CCB discs or heavy, aftermarket iron discs. Either set your OE discs aside for later resale/trade in purposes or sell them to recoup some of the investment. It's a no-brainer either way.

***We currently have the first two sets of CCB replacement rotors inbound from England. One set has already been sold to an R8 owner but one set is still available. If you're interested in that set, send me an email and we can get the ball rolling before someone else snatches them up. I don't expect them to last long. [email protected]

Fitments.
CCB to ST rotor upgrade-
380x38mm front discs and 356x32mm rear (OE-sized for front and rear)
Iron rotor to ST rotor upgrade- 380x34mm front discs (with caliper spacers) and 356x32mm rear
The iron rotor upgrade follows a standard practice of increasing the front disc size for added value and brings the total braking prowess closer to the CCB-equipped vehicles.

TECH DETAILS
The technical stuff...The Surface Transforms rotors are referred to as CFRC rotors, which stands for continuous fiber reinforced ceramic, and as stated earlier, is a mature technology used by many hyper car manufacturers including Koenigsegg since 2004 (17 years of OE production). There are dozens of currently available fitments for Porsche, Ferrari, McClaren, Ford GT, Nissan GT-R, Mercedes AMG GT-S/R and Aston Martin. It's Audi and Lamborghini's turn.

Audi and Lamborghini use a CCB rotor (carbon ceramic brakes) which are made through a cast process which utilizes chopped carbon fiber. In theory, these brakes should offer a substantial performance gain over standard cast-iron rotors and in many ways they do. They also have two major pitfalls; replacements are prohibitively expensive and they tend not to do well on track, especially when overheated. As the resin is burned out of the disc, their ability to brake is lessened to the point where the discs must be replaced. Some owners have managed to do this in as little as one track day.

Enter the CFRC rotors from Surface Transforms which use a multidirectional matrix of continuous carbon fiber. Where the CCB rotors are cast in molds, CFRC rotors are an additive process and machined to the final dimensions. Not only are they more thermally efficient, they can be "renewed" good as new via an inexpensive process with quick turn-around.

This is, of course, the holy grail of carbon ceramic rotors. If you overheat and wear out a set of CCB rotors, there are currently no reliable options to refurbish them and can cost well over $20,000USD to replace. Not so with the CFRC rotors. Simply send them in for renewal and 10 days later, they're ready to go for another 5,000+ track miles.

CFRC rotors have on average a TRACK LIFE of 5,000 miles before needing a refurbishment, 15,000+ miles lifetime. The process is approximately $600 per rotor and therefore highly affordable and repeatable two times over the life of the disc. The rotors themselves come in at about half the cost of a set of OE CCB rotors. Track your car? Grab a set of these and don't worry about burning them up. Long term serviceability for street or track driven cars makes them cost efficient and there are brake pad options for each. In addition, these rotors are designed to work with carbon ceramic and normal cast-iron calipers. Owners of the standard brake-equipped models can now upgrade to a ceramic rotor and all of their benefits.

Pads are off the shelf Pagid pads and thus available from multiple vendors including RMR. In addition we'll be working with Carbotech and another yet unnamed big pad manufacturer (especially in the Porsche world, hint, hint) to offer additional choices. Pagid RSC1, RSC2, RSC3 and RSL29 can be used and are approved by Surface Transforms. Carbotech will be testing their various pads, many of which already work with the OE CCB discs, further expanding our pad options. Technically the RSC1 could do double duty, track and street. No swapping rotors, no swapping pads, just drive to the track, have fun and drive home.

About me...I didn't want to clog the top of the thread with my details. My name is Michel Fortier I am a new vendor here, owner of RMR or Red Mist Racing, LLC. I'm also a vendor on R8talk and moderate a few tech heavy Audi forums. I am an enthusiast first and a vendor second. I do not own a Huracán or any Lamborghini for that matter but I do aspire to and I've always been a fan. I have extensive experience tracking and building track cars and began my journey in this field commercially by designing highly effective heat exchangers for the Borg Warner DL-501 dual clutch transmissions. It has, to say the least, snowballed from there.

I only sell products I wholeheartedly believe in and would use on my own vehicle in anger. We have some very capable partners in all of this including HCF out of Austin (they make lots of interesting Huracán and Gallardo parts!), just up the road from me. Price Cobb, former LeMans winner and all-around legend is also involved on the brake pad aspects of things and we're in constant communication and sharing ideas.

I am more than happy to answer any questions but for now, I'll leave a few photos we took at a recent photo shoot. Unfortunately, no Lamborghini Gallardo's were available so we'll have to do with a lowly McLaren! I will have photos once the first set of Huracán/Gallardo/R8/RS5 rotors arrive stateside on Thursday. They'll be installed by the owner in preparation for a track day at VIR on June 7th and 8th.




 

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Photos! The very first set of Gallardo-specific (Huracán/R8 too) rotors have been delivered to an excited forum member on R8talk who has quickly test fit the front and rear rotors. Says he lifted the boxes off his front porch and smiled at how light they were. He'll get weights for the discs later today but I can tell you this, it'll be a great deal lighter than 30 pound Girodisc rotors and will outperform them by a vast amount, not only in wear but in outright performance. And rotating, unsprung weight is the most critical, effective weight you can remove from a car.






The "pizza" boxes.


I do have ONE MORE SET available immediately. [email protected] if you're interested!

Full track report coming soon. Testing Pagid RSC1's and possibly Carbotech XP12's.
 

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Looks awesome!!

Pricing is 1/2 of OEM CC brakes? ~$7-8k?
They're $6325 per axle, two discs. $12650 for all four wheels. OE discs, all four, run about $18K if you can find a deal. Used doesn't count as the ST rotors outperform the OE CCB's in every measurable performance category AND they're capable of handling long periods of time on-track where the OE CCB's cannot handle the heat cycling and thermal stress.

ST has an official press release that came out today, they were waiting for the first set to be installed here in the U.S. :)
 

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Official weight is...
13 pounds front (5.89kg)
9 pounds rear (4.08kg)

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A little testimonial about the effectiveness of the Surface Transforms carbon ceramic rotors vs. OE chopped carbon CCB's. Mark recently set the production car lap record at Philip Island in a Senna using Surface Transforms rotors. A bit hard to read so I'll retype as I didn't create the original photo with text overlay:
"We regularly drive and also track our McLaren Senna, in addition to all of our McLaren's. When the front pads on the Senna needed replacing recently, I took the opportunity to change the entire cars' rotors and pads to the Surface Transforms CCST products. We have since done another 4000km and multiple track days on the ST rotors and in a phrase 'they are brilliant!'

The bedding in process was well explained and proved to be very effective. I have found that pedal modulation is improved over the standard OEM fitment and, from cold, there is a superior feel. To this point, even wear rate seems to be better! An all-around easy decision which I remain very happy with."
-Mark Ward, Production Car lap record holder-Philip Island Australia.
 

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Cool product and great to see a non-OEM solution, but simply too expensive for me to justify an increase in brake performance at the high end that I'll never use. For those that track their cars though, very cool. If they were about half the price I might consider...
 

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Cool product and great to see a non-OEM solution, but simply too expensive for me to justify an increase in brake performance at the high end that I'll never use. For those that track their cars though, very cool. If they were about half the price I might consider...
Definitely not for everyone and it is a top tier next generation technology product. I've seen the actual cost of production on these and I can tell you they aren't cheap to produce by any means. The engineering fees alone for one fitment is close to the purchase price of a used Gallardo. It's definitely a premium performance product and priced accordingly. I know Brembo is working on their own version and they're mega expensive. I believe they're fitted to Gordon Murray's T50. They had to skirt around all of ST's patents and I think it really upped their cost of production. But it's a sign that ST got it right where Brembo sat on their heels even while knowing about the shortcomings of chopped carbon fiber, molded rotors. I have to confirm but the Huracán STO has a new brake rotor as well, possibly from Surface Transforms in origin.

The Gallardo and RS5 are the least expensive of the four vehicles (variants notwithstanding) these rotors will fit so you're benefitting from the R8/Huracán market and again, they're about half the cost of the OE chopped carbon fiber rotors. In those terms, they're a spectacular value given their performance increase over the factory carbon ceramics. There's actually a good bit of interest amongst the RS5 community which is less expensive than the Gallardo on the used market by a good amount. Then again, they're only looking at a front rotor upgrade as the rears are iron even on the models that come with CCB's from the factory.
 

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So the first track outing in the RWD R8 with Surface Transforms rotors was a huge success. The brakes were phenomenal throughout the two days of track sessions at VIR with zero fade despite only running with Pagid RSC1 pads. The driver is fast enough that he can take advantage of a more aggressive pad like the Pagid RSL29. Overall lap times were far more consistent and even with traffic, lap times dropped by 3 seconds. This is his first R8 and has tracked a Porsche GT3 with Surface Transforms rotors and other cars extensively so he's still getting used to the R8 and how it feels. I can only see him getting faster! Will have photos up in the next few days and I've asked him to post up a review on R8 Talk. I'll be sure to share that here.

And on a side note, we'll be releasing a Gallardo manual/e-gear clutch shortly that'll outperform everything else out there AND come in at a lower price point. Stay tuned!
 

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Great to have options for our cars but they are very expensive.
A complete set of OE CC brakes can be had for about $12K.
I'm sure they are better than OEM but no price advantage here!
I wish they were cheaper.
 

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OEM CCB's are about $20-$24K USD depending on where you look. Please point me to where you can buy a four wheel set of OE rotors for $12K USD, I'd like to know! Being in England you have the advantage of a favorable exchange rate as well.

And yes, they're far superior to the OE CCB rotors. Superior in every measurable performance category and then some. I don't know why you'd even consider going OE with all their shortcomings when these are available. Doesn't make any sense.

We all wish everything were less expensive. I wish Lamborghinis in general were less expensive. I'd have four, no, make that five of them.
 

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Here's a photo of the first R8 fitted with ST rotors at a VIR track day last Monday and Tuesday. The car performed flawlessly and he managed to drop three seconds plus a lap despite lots more traffic. He's also getting used to the R8 as his other track car is a GT3 Touring which also feature Surface Transforms rotors. So I know he has the capability for even lower lap times in the future. This time out he used Pagid RSC1 pads as the RSL29's were unavailable (COVID). But we'll order a set of those and I think they'll be the hot ticket. You can see the gold rotor hats in the photo below. We also upgraded him to the 19Z front calipers with normal pistons, not the phenolic piston 19Z that comes stock on the cars equipped with CCB's from the factory.
 

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You know, we are not opposed to doing a group buy on these...given the cost, we could probably knock it down to six individuals to qualify. Would that spark some interest? I think once a few owners get them on their cars and provide real-world feedback on and off track, these'll be the go to for rotors. Let's get the ball rolling!
 

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I have two more sets available, one is a CCB replacement set and the second is the iron rotor upgrade package with larger 380mm front discs and OE-sized rear discs. [email protected]
 

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Audi Club North America was nice enough to publish a bit about us! Good to see these finally gaining some traction and of course these are the best way to upgrade the steel brakes on your Gallardo LP to carbon ceramic offerings. Surface Transforms Latest Audi Offerings - Audi Club North America

One thing I did want to ask actual owners about was the rear brakes. I know the iron rotor upgrade kit fits the 09+ models. Assuming from 03-08, it's a completely different disc? The CCB-equipped models are all the same from 03-13 so that kit fits all years. Just curious about the rear changeover in 09 and the possible reasons for it.
 

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Sorry for the redirect, but a really interesting read on the Surface Transforms rotors vs. full-on high $$$ brake kits consisting of iron rotors/aftermarket calipers (AP, PFC, etc...). Read through the entire thread. You'll think you have the "answer" until the last few posts in the thread. Just a really good read!
 
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