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After owning a Gallardo for the past 3 years, I decided that I'm finally going to take the plunge, and trade my beloved girl for a Murcielago. I'm looking at a Pre-LP 3-Pedal car. The issues I've known to look for are miles since clutch change, coils, and leaking shocks. Are there any other well known issues on the Pre-LP 3 pedal cars? The car I'm looking at is approaching 20k miles; can anyone tell me what the 20k service entails. I appreciate your help. Thanks!
 
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Murcis from what I understand are pretty solid cars. Check maintenance like any other Bull, and check for the valve adjustment. For some reason, I've noticed some people don't keep up with that.
 

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Awesome! Thanks and beautiful Gallardo BTW!
 

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Thank you! Good luck on finding a Murci, I hope to add one to the stable one day.
 

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Hi,

After owning a Gallardo for the past 3 years, I decided that I'm finally going to take the plunge, and trade my beloved girl for a Murcielago. I'm looking at a Pre-LP 3-Pedal car. The issues I've known to look for are miles since clutch change, coils, and leaking shocks. Are there any other well known issues on the Pre-LP 3 pedal cars? The car I'm looking at is approaching 20k miles; can anyone tell me what the 20k service entails. I appreciate your help. Thanks!
I'm thinking of doing the same. Keep us updated!
 
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i was told front lift has issues and the valve adjustment is the biggest one to keep up on.. for a 3 pedal ...
 

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Thanks a ton guys! I was looking at the Grigio 6 speed at Lamborghini Palm Beach. They let me know the car had a lot of issues and they decided to wholesale it. The search continues... thanks again!
 

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Thanks a ton guys! I was looking at the Grigio 6 speed at Lamborghini Palm Beach. They let me know the car had a lot of issues and they decided to wholesale it. The search continues... thanks again!
What was it priced at and what issues did it have? Depending on the answer to those two questions it might very well still be worth it.
 

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The car was priced at $142. From my understanding it could be had for the 130's. There are no service records and no indication of when the clutch was last done. I don't know of all of the issues, but the dealer told me that most recently the shifter broke off. He said there was nothing overall serious, but they've elected to wholesale it. He said it would be about 7-10k to fix all of the issues. My "spidey senses" tell me that if the dealership doesn't see any value in fixing and selling it, there's probably a lot that has to be done to this car to make it worth it. Thoughts?
 

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The car was priced at $142. From my understanding it could be had for the 130's. There are no service records and no indication of when the clutch was last done. I don't know of all of the issues, but the dealer told me that most recently the shifter broke off. He said there was nothing overall serious, but they've elected to wholesale it. He said it would be about 7-10k to fix all of the issues. My "spidey senses" tell me that if the dealership doesn't see any value in fixing and selling it, there's probably a lot that has to be done to this car to make it worth it. Thoughts?
Make them a lowball offer and see if they bite. At something lik $100k, may not be much downside. I do agree with you that if the issues were minor and they saw a path to making real profit, they would simply address them.
 

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The car was priced at $142. From my understanding it could be had for the 130's. There are no service records and no indication of when the clutch was last done. I don't know of all of the issues, but the dealer told me that most recently the shifter broke off. He said there was nothing overall serious, but they've elected to wholesale it. He said it would be about 7-10k to fix all of the issues. My "spidey senses" tell me that if the dealership doesn't see any value in fixing and selling it, there's probably a lot that has to be done to this car to make it worth it. Thoughts?
It's hard to say without a thorough, independent PPI but I commend them for making the issues known. A properly done 15k service will run about $15-20k and that includes clutch, throw out bearing, valve adjustment, gaskets, a few hoses, belts/pulleys, etc etc. While the shift lever breaking is hardly 'common' it is a known problem. I've read about it on this forum several times and it's not a particularly expensive or difficult fix (lever itself costs about $2k). If you could nab it for high 120s I would be all over it, provided a thorough, independent PPI doesn't uncover a bunch of new issues. That's also assuming a clean carfax.

If i was still in the market, i would buy this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/2003-Lamborghini-Murcielago-Coupe-/152624070035
I'm enjoying every moment with my 04 gated.
 

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The car was priced at $142. From my understanding it could be had for the 130's. There are no service records and no indication of when the clutch was last done. I don't know of all of the issues, but the dealer told me that most recently the shifter broke off. He said there was nothing overall serious, but they've elected to wholesale it. He said it would be about 7-10k to fix all of the issues. My "spidey senses" tell me that if the dealership doesn't see any value in fixing and selling it, there's probably a lot that has to be done to this car to make it worth it. Thoughts?
Did they tell you what the issues were? I would find out what all of the issues are, then get a quote for the repairs. That should determine if the car is worth it. However, Pre-LP gated cars are gaining popularity.
 

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My "spidey senses" tell me that if the dealership doesn't see any value in fixing and selling it, there's probably a lot that has to be done to this car to make it worth it.
A dealer doesn't want to repair/perform maintenance for a retail sale. The dealer gets parts at cost, very cheap labor and the car would carry with it recent dealer service. If they are wholesaling it, that should set off ever alarm in your head to walk away.

That is, unless you want a project car which you must assume the worst of on all accounts.
 

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A dealer doesn't want to repair/perform maintenance for a retail sale. The dealer gets parts at cost, very cheap labor and the car would carry with it recent dealer service. If they are wholesaling it, that should set off ever alarm in your head to walk away.

That is, unless you want a project car which you must assume the worst of on all accounts.
This. ALL OF THIS!
 

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I did a write up on Murcie faults previously. I copied and pasted the reply for you here.


Great to hear you are considering a 2003 Murcielago. The problems I had fixed prior to and during the first 3 months of ownership were:

Coil pack failures cylinders 6 and 12 (symptom - R Cat overheat light) - replaced
Faulty electrical wiring between alternator and battery (symptom - alternator light flicking on and off) - re-wired
Leaking return hose for lifting system (still a bit slow to lift) - replaced
Rear wing non-deployment - LARAS re-set
Micro-cracks in cross drilled front discs - replaced with slatted ventilated discs and new brake pads
Weak steering rack - taken out and re-furbished
Non-functioning fuel cap actuator - fixed
Superficial corrosion brake lines and rear-suspension - cleaned
Stone-chip touch ups
Minor Speedline alloy wheel re-furbs
Driver seat right bolster (RHD/UK) re-connolisation
Plastic front trim in luggage compartment cracked - replaced
Engine compartment dirty throttle bodies - cleaned
Wrinkled engine stickers - kept for nostalgia but ideally should be replaced
Scratched carbon fibre side panels - removed, cleaned, and fitted correctly but hardly noticeable
Rear bonnet mis-alignment - fixed
Headlight re-alignment done.

All the above are well documented by other owners on this and other forums so should be no surprise and be included in any budget you set for the purchase.

At the moment, my car drives very well and feels taut, strong and responsive with an endearing soundtrack.

Other things on my to-do list included but were not limited to:

Replacing the door struts - they get tired (see Stimpy's posts on new door struts).- DONE

Repainting of the wire mesh grill over the heat shield (which has had tools dropped on it so it's dented and looks ugly!) -DONE

Wiring of radar and dash cam into rear view mirror self dimming wiring - DONE

Refitting of headlining -DONE

Driver seat bolster re padded - DONE

Most Murcielagos do have very minor indentations in the steel roof. Stimpy gave me a link about how the stress forces end up being taken by the roof due to the torsional rigidity of the carbon fibre monocell.

I'm a big fan of Grigio Avalon, Grigio Estoque and Grigio Borealis and of course manual transmission. A lot of work was carried out by an Independent specialist under warranty and then the local Lambo dealership did minor bits but with price-matching to Independent specialists. In the UK, we only have one pair of catalytic converters so the sound is different to USA cars.

Of note, from speaking to mechanics/technicians at Independent workshops and Dealerships the top two slats on the engine cover were poorly designed so allow water to drip directly onto coil packs. I have only been caught in light rain once and so I would not recommend leaving the car in the rain for extended periods of time.

Other well documented feeds on the forums include - de-railment of the windows if kept down when the doors go up; faulty wing mirrors not extending, batteries going flat after a month standing which are common on lots of exotics anyway.

Like most exotics, the steering racks are weak (similar to when I owned a Lotus Esprit) and speedometers may stop working due to faulty dashboards.

The suspension system (graded 1-4 with an auto function) is little too jazzy for a gentleman driver like myself and from my research was deleted on the manual versions of the LP640 (a rare find in the UK). Common tell-tale lights that can come on are the airbag light (due to weak connections in the steering column) but that happens in new cars too!

Before I bought my car, I read through the forums on engine, transmission and electrical issues and paint work and had Stimpy (a close friend and experienced engineer) to troubleshoot problems with. Clutch wear in the ownership of careful drivers with manual transmission is generally reported as much greater than in E-gear models. Flicking through the workshop manual regularly and following threads on how DIY owners solve problems has shown that the Murcielago is an accessible yet frustrating exotic but rewards extra doses of patience. The Lambo tax can be avoided with careful research form Independents and designated specialists and being pro-active in negotiating prices which most owners who use these forums are very good at.

All the best with your search and purchase and let us know how you get on.
 

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Sheldon,

Thanks a ton! That information was very helpful. I'm still working on the purchase; I'll let ya'll know how it goes!
 
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