[raymond]

I wonder whether Mikael installed my box already in his LP500s, today I replaced an old broken box in QV HLA12045 and had a look into the LM002.

 

[mikael82]

yes I have!
and, ques what, it fired up!
I still have to tune the carburators.

Technicaly I know how the car works but actualy drive one... wow.
the car feels like it's became 10-years-younger. what brings us to an other issue Happy birthday Raymond!

 

[raymond]

Thanks for the feedback, sorry for the long time you had to wait, that was the longest journey a parcel of mine made so far... (the US post sent it to Swaziland instead of Switzerland, no joke I have pictures to prove this!)

 

[mikael82]

Hi Raymond
did you know, Ferrari also use M&M electronic ignition at 70s and early 80s.
365bb and 512bb use very similar ignition and distributor, are these same what ct uses?

can I make master switch on negative side(battery) when I use Countach.ch box?

 

[raymond]

Hi Mikael,

I know that Ferrari used the same MM Box, just with another rev limiter.
You can install a Countach box in a Ferrari but the 512 box would cut the engine at 6800 instead of 7800...

Of course you can use a master switch, when the ignition key is off my box has absolutely no current, no problem on this side.

 

[raymond]

Also the new MSD 7AL-2 Plus is now running, since the old PN-7220 is no more available... I have one left in stock.

http://www.countach.ch/MSD/index.html

 

[EarlyCat]

What kind of spark plugs do you recommend on a msd system? Did the gap change?

 

[raymond]

All like before, runs fine...

 

[Countach881/2]

Raymond,
I'm getting concerned from some of the comments about burning out my Rotor Arm or Distributor, the Spark from my MSD Coil looks like something from Star Trek!
Cheers
Jonathan

 

[raymond]

As long as you use the normal SS Blaster coil you are on the save side, I have the MSD installed since 2002 !!!!

 

[Jalpa_Aus]

Raymond,
I was wondering if you know if your MSD ignition will fit onto an Espada? My Espada has the single distributor with the 2 coils, if not any recommendations on upgrading the ignition system for the earlier V12's?
Thanks
Mike

 

[raymond]

it's possible with 2 independent MSD 6 units, I know of a 400GT owner who did it on his car. The Espada distributor has two contacts each of those is triggering one coil so you can use this signal to trigger two msd 6 which are each connected with a Blaster 2 coil.

Whenever you try this, take in consideration that the blaster 2 coil has to be mounted uprights, otherwise it will overheat and fail.

As a simple improvement I would first try with a stronger Bosch coil, a Bosch Dealer can install it properly since it might need some ballast resistors.

 

[Jalpa_Aus]

Raymond,
Thanks for the information, this two coil setup is a bit of a pain for a few things. (rev limiter being the other one),though with the 2 x MSD's 6 AL's I guess you could work something out with the REV limit chips, would you recommend the 2 x 6AL units?
Cheers
Mike

 

[raymond]

Yes, take the MSD 6AL, they cost only a little more than the 6A and you will get some rev limiter chips with them, the 8000rpm would work fine, since the 4l engine can handle those high revs (even my QV does).
The MSD has a soft limiter, that means first you will remark a power lost, if you turn further on it will cut the ignition completely.

 

[Countach881/2]

Hi Raymond,
MyHt lead from the Coil to the Distributor seems to be a little short, it only just reaches the distributor. Has antone else had this problem or is mine just a few mm short? (I'm concerned its not going to last)
cheers
Jonathan

88.5 Qv now in Black!

 

[raymond]

Hi Jonathan, when you still have the MM coil you can unscrew the bracket and pull the coil a little bit in direction to the engine, else make a new wire that's nothing complicate, every garage dealing with older cars can make a longer one.

 

[deangpsx8]

Hi Guys,
just wondering if anyone has experienced this problem with their QV FI.

Mine is running the MSD 7 and Master Blaster 8202 coil.

Starts and runs perfectly. No smoke..absolute dream.

Then after driving for about 20 minutes it starts back firing. Struggles under load going up hills etc. Need to keep the revs up and gears low.

Then turn off the engine and either:-

1. It starts and back fires heaps, to the point where it cannot be driven.
2. It cranks but doesn't start at all. Seems not to have any spark.

I thought the cold start injectors where permanently on, so i disconnected those. Made it a little better, but did not solve the problem.

If you leave it for a few hours/overnight...it starts up perfectly and of course does the same again.

 

[mikael82]

-Have you confirm that you do not have spark? (ie. try ground one plug side of engine and have someone turn engine to see if you got spar or not.), if not;
See that you got spark coming from coil. (You might also try, what kind of resistance is in coil.)

-Then you might wan't to look inside distributor cap, how thing are looking in there.


If you got spark all the way, then problem is in fuel injection, strugle under load seems like that it could be injectors

 

[raymond]

The Coil 8202 is the Master 2 series correct?
This coil is not designed to lay horizontal, it must be vertical, there is oil in and this will give a punctual overheating.
Because of this reason I use always the SS Blaster PN8207.

http://www.countach.ch/MSD.html

 

[deangpsx8]

Thanks guys,
I will start running some diagnostics on the ignition system, but my gut feeling is that it is an injection problem.

The reason why I am thinking this is:-

1. A few weeks ago I was idling the car for about 15-20 minutes waiting for a flat tow from the body shop back home. The tow truck was running late.

The car was quite warm.
I switched off the engine and soon after (1 minute) it started fined.

Then after starting the car again, a guy from the body shop asked if i could give the car a rev. So I revved the car a couple of times. (just to impress these guys that a lambo engine sounds a little better than the Ford and GM muscle cars they usually work on)

I then switched off the engine (just to satisfy my curiousity if it would start again)

Of course it didn't start.

That is why i am thinking that the car is actually flooding.


When it does start again- a few hours later or the next morning, it occassionally blows a heap of smoke for about 5-10 seconds. Then it runs perfectly again.

There seems to be a very very very slight misfire on the left hand bank through the exhaust.