[Luzifer]

I was listening to 2 contractors the other day talking about both their own 1 man operation and both agreed they stopped working hard because in the end they didn't have more money.

I was quite perplexed by that statement. I'm the opposite, I have goals, every opportunity to make a few extra dollars I go for it even if I have to work harder, I also go ahead and take on another job even though I was done for the day. For the last 5 years when companies are on vacation my doors are open and happy about it because I have way less competition within those weeks.

I wonder what their mentality is behind that?

 

[topcarbon]

There all kinds of the people in the world.
My guess is you will not find under achievers here. Attitude for complacency gets you only so far and then….that’s it.
I see this in my business. People reach a comfort level and quit mentally.
Then there are superstars that never rest, always reaching the impossible which is actually possible.

 

[GhostRider]

I made that desicion myself this year. In the Netherlands hard work is getting ‘punished’ hard by the government due the tax system. So, no my goal for this year is not working even harder, but investing smarter. I’ve set clear goals for the next year by collecting better investments, double the income out of it, and reach that possibility buying also better cars out of it. Like in most countries, invested money is taxed less than earned money. So, if you want to achieve better goals, hard work won’t help you with that…. Now I only work hard on nice projects, which I enjoy working on. As an architect, that means, nicer and better designs for other nicer people. Primarily for fun, secundary for cash.

 

[GhostRider]

That said, it isn’t about comfort. I like challenges, difficulties and so. That’s why I like it so much dying on a marathon, the next one allready in the agenda. I think it’s just smart keeping in your mind that life’s too short only thinking about hard work. (When you experience health and mentally issues with your family/kids, your eyes will open for sure…). So…. Take that ride for a spin, and enjoy that moment!

 

[Murciful]

If your first sentence is accurate, they didn’t say they didn’t want more money, they said they felt they don’t get more money for working harder, and therefore don’t work harder.

I feel as Ghost does. In the states you still get financially rewarded for working hard, to a point, then you get judged and even demonized. In general, I’m finding people want to be given more, but aren’t willing or wanting to work hard or do what it takes to earn more.

My observation is this is less a generational thing, and more the direction that humanity has taken. Instead of “we should work to add value and improve our lives”, it’s “we should take from those rich selfish bastards.”

 

[Luzifer]

I made that desicion myself this year. In the Netherlands hard work is getting ‘punished’ hard by the government due the tax system. So, no my goal for this year is not working even harder, but investing smarter. I’ve set clear goals for the next year by collecting better investments, double the income out of it, and reach that possibility buying also better cars out of it. Like in most countries, invested money is taxed less than earned money. So, if you want to achieve better goals, hard work won’t help you with that…. Now I only work hard on nice projects, which I enjoy working on. As an architect, that means, nicer and better designs for other nicer people. Primarily for fun, secundary for cash.

I understand that very much the more I work the higher the tax rate is. I like the punishment comment that's exactly the same thing here! It's ridiculously high so much so with the taxes I could of bought a nice but used Ferrari!

I'm not an investor, I have to physically work more to get a higher income. So even though I'm taxed to death I go the extra mile every day to reach my objectives.

 

[Luzifer]

If your first sentence is accurate, they didn’t say they didn’t want more money, they said they felt they don’t get more money for working harder, and therefore don’t work harder.

I feel as Ghost does. In the states you still get financially rewarded for working hard, to a point, then you get judged and even demonized. In general, I’m finding people want to be given more, but aren’t willing or wanting to work hard or do what it takes to earn more.

My observation is this is less a generational thing, and more the direction that humanity has taken. Instead of “we should work to add value and improve our lives”, it’s “we should take from those rich selfish bastards.”

I wonder if they meant by making more money they spend it frivolously and it doesn't leave them with more assets. If they waste the extra money I understand it doesn't make sense to earn more.

 

[static_analysis]

Hard work starts losing its appeal when you discover how to work smarter.

 

[topcarbon]

Unfortunately most people give up on working harder before they get to discover working smarter.

 

[static_analysis]

People want to skip the hard work part and just get told what to invest in, what business to start. They want to be as successful as you but without all the work. And because they see you now working so smart and effortlessly they say YOU didn’t do any work, and then they hate on YOU because they think you’re holding back advice or secrets that could free them from having to work or learn anything.

 

[Lambo2018]

I haven't worked hard in 6 years outside of the gym or when car detailing, oh wait, I'm retired.

 

[topcarbon]

I haven't worked hard in 6 years outside of the gym or when car detailing, oh wait, I'm retired.

You are blessed

 

[Lambo2018]

You are blessed

Thank you my friend, I am and I am grateful and thank God every day but most of us on this forum are, including you.

 

[topcarbon]

Thank you my friend, I am and I am grateful and thank God every day but most of us on this forum are, including you.

Amen

 

[Lambo2018]

I often remind myself of the refrain but for the Grace of God................

 

[Luzifer]

People want to skip the hard work part and just get told what to invest in, what business to start. They want to be as successful as you but without all the work. And because they see you now working so smart and effortlessly they say YOU didn’t do any work, and then they hate on YOU because they think you’re holding back advice or secrets that could free them from having to work or learn anything.

One guy saw me, the Vette and the Gallardo, the day I met the Lambo owner(Story in my intro). The following monday as I went to the supplier all the warehouse guys were gathered in a circle at break time and he yelled out in front of everyone "hey I saw you this weekend at so and so parking lot".
I remained silent and the other warehouse guys said to him what are you talking about?
"He and another guy were with expensive black cars... what were they"?
Well I work hard....

Anyway some weeks went by and he was complaining he wasn't making enough money at the place so I told him, apply for a desk job and climb the ladder, push for it there's always people quitting in there and push some more to get a better position later on or go into an apprenticeship since the government pays you while you study and go from there. He wasn't thrilled at my response. Most times he greets me but every so often he makes this jealous face and makes a vette comment, a year later he said your car is a Vette! He wouldn't say how he found out but I think I know how he did. Anyway now he's the manager in the back store, he's about the only lone survivor, everyone quit and new employees are in.

 

[DiabloClyde]

I, too, see a disturbing trend in people just deciding “screw it, I don’t need to work hard“. It is what happens after three generations of socialist education. The problem is they are the same who will come after you and your wealth when they are not doing so well later on, and with inflation rising there will be a “later on” sooner rather than later.

 

[Luzifer]

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