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Just bought an 03 Murcielago Manual

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Hey guys,

I just bought an 03 Murcielago (in Germany). I live in Germany as well.

It's a 1 owner German car. 55k kms. beautiful original paint. Lamborghini maintained.

The brakes (pads & rotors) & clutch need to be replaced very soon.

I got a quote from Lamborghini for 30k€ & 22k€ from an independent mecanic for OEM parts.

I read that original rotors & pads on an early Murcielago are terrible. And that we're better off with non-OEM.
I also hear rumours that Kevlar clutches might last longer. But I have no experience with them and forums don't mention them so much.
Since I need to replace everything now, I would prefer to change for better if the price is similar (I hear you can upgrade to LP640 brakes but would need to change the wheels, sounds too complex).

What do you suggest suggest doing for both the brakes & clutch? Any brands you recommend?

Thanks,

Gabriel

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Congratulations on your purchase I picked up a 2002 gated manual car a little while back. From what I understand (there's quite a few other people here that are much more experienced) The Kevlar clutches were a good option for eGear cars because they got more longevity out of them but for the gated manual cars the OEM clutch was a lot smoother at had quite a bit less chatter.

For the brakes I just purchased new brakes as well and was kind of in the same boat The LP 640 brakes were an option as were the brembo big brake kit with the 405 mm brakes. Both of them would require some modification of the hub as well as larger wheels because they 18-in wheels didn't fit them. I opted instead to go with a company called Girodisc what you make an exact kit that will fit our cars and were 1/3 the price of the OEM brakes pads and rotors.

Congratulations again on your purchase Good luck with your decision
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Hey guys,

I just bought an 03 Murcielago (in Germany). I live in Germany as well.

It's a 1 owner German car. 55k kms. beautiful original paint. Lamborghini maintained.

The brakes (pads & rotors) & clutch need to be replaced very soon.

I got a quote from Lamborghini for 30k€ & 22k€ from an independent mecanic for OEM parts.

I read that original rotors & pads on an early Murcielago are terrible. And that we're better off with non-OEM.
I also hear rumours that Kevlar clutches might last longer. But I have no experience with them and forums don't mention them so much.
Since I need to replace everything now, I would prefer to change for better if the price is similar (I hear you can upgrade to LP640 brakes but would need to change the wheels, sounds too complex).

What do you suggest suggest doing for both the brakes & clutch? Any brands you recommend?

Thanks,

Gabriel
Congratulations on your new murci! Arancio atlas is my favourite colour. Kevlar clutches are a good option, I will be getting one when I change my clutch (I had one in my Diablo prior). They are stronger so they survive ample launches and a lot more driving. As mentioned above, Girodisc makes the easiest alternative. It’s direct fit, lowers unsprung mass, and improves braking efficiency. Pair that with ceramic pads and it’s a great setup for early murcis that is also cost effective.
Make sure to replace the gear lever when doing your clutch job too. it seems yours had the same failure as most gated murcileago where they snap. most weld them in because replacing them need to have the transmission out. so do that while you are at it.
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Congratulations on your new murci! Arancio atlas is my favourite colour. Kevlar clutches are a good option, I will be getting one when I change my clutch (I had one in my Diablo prior). They are stronger so they survive ample launches and a lot more driving. As mentioned above, Girodisc makes the easiest alternative. It’s direct fit, lowers unsprung mass, and improves braking efficiency. Pair that with ceramic pads and it’s a great setup for early murcis that is also cost effective.
Thanks for your reply. Much appreciated.
What brand of kevlar clutch is a good option?
Thanks for the giro disc suggestion, Are ceramic pads also from this "Girodisc" brand?
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Congratulations on your purchase I picked up a 2002 gated manual car a little while back. From what I understand (there's quite a few other people here that are much more experienced) The Kevlar clutches were a good option for eGear cars because they got more longevity out of them but for the gated manual cars the OEM clutch was a lot smoother at had quite a bit less chatter.

For the brakes I just purchased new brakes as well and was kind of in the same boat The LP 640 brakes were an option as were the brembo big brake kit with the 405 mm brakes. Both of them would require some modification of the hub as well as larger wheels because they 18-in wheels didn't fit them. I opted instead to go with a company called Girodisc what you make an exact kit that will fit our cars and were 1/3 the price of the OEM brakes pads and rotors.

Congratulations again on your purchase Good luck with your decision
Your advice is much appreciated :)
I have Girodiscs on my R8 but one thing that sucks is they get a ring of rust around the rotor hat that the brake pads don’t reach and thus doesn’t get cleaned off. If you don’t drive the car often and keep it dry maybe it won’t matter but next time I would have opted for some kind of ceramic.
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@gabrielmuller Congratulations, You have a 12-cylinder beast with what I consider, since i have the same color,one of the best colors Arancio Atlas. Considering Germany is banning the production of gasoline engines by I believe 2030, this car will definitely stand out :)
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Wow-that is a beautiful vehicle!
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Wonderful spec! That looks like a very well taken care of example. Interiors don't hide abuse from previous owners and your interior looks wonderful. Also nice to see another 2 tone early car as a data point.

Stock brakes are not as bad as people say. As for the clutch I think stock is the way to go. People regularly go over 30k miles with stock Murci clutches. I read on Bring a Trailer someone has an 02 with a stock clutch at 85k miles (possibly km) so maybe 53k miles. Take care of the clutch and it will take care of you.
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Congratulations on the new car. To answer your questions:

1. Girodisc is the only option for non-OEM brake rotors. They are excellent and a fraction of the price of original. Beyond that you can look at a company that supplies race cars and they can manufacture one off rotors for you that use the original center 'hats'.

It is important to note that (especially that you live in Germany where there is no speed limit) that the original brakes are very weak. You can improve them with the changing to higher performance pads but they will still not be enough for good high speed braking. Regarding the pads you absolutely do not need the ones from Lamborghini. The price is more than 10 times that of an aftermarket pad which is of the same quality as original.

If you choose to change to larger brakes the wheels you have will no longer fit. This means that in addition to the cost of the brakes you need to factor in larger wheels.

2. I would use an OEM Lamborghini clutch. I physically inspected my clutch after over 18,000km and it was worn less than 20%. What kills the clutch is launching the car hard so if you are gentle with your acceleration from zero the clutch lasts a long time.

Lastly consider converting your car to 2wd. There is a LOT of information here showing the advantages and everyone agrees that it is the best modification you can do to your car.
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Thanks for your reply. Much appreciated.
What brand of kevlar clutch is a good option?
Thanks for the giro disc suggestion, Are ceramic pads also from this "Girodisc" brand?
There’s only two vetted options, Hi-Tech Exotic and Exotic Clutch Technologies. I would recommend the first company and their HT300 Kevlar clutch. You can get good pads from Pagid. As Nuvolari said, RWD conversion is a quick something to look into as well. Carbonio has a great kit for this.
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From Pamo Cars!
Great purchase; I was loving the incredible color combo many times. Great purchase!
Congratulations on the new car. To answer your questions:

1. Girodisc is the only option for non-OEM brake rotors. They are excellent and a fraction of the price of original. Beyond that you can look at a company that supplies race cars and they can manufacture one off rotors for you that use the original center 'hats'.

It is important to note that (especially that you live in Germany where there is no speed limit) that the original brakes are very weak. You can improve them with the changing to higher performance pads but they will still not be enough for good high speed braking. Regarding the pads you absolutely do not need the ones from Lamborghini. The price is more than 10 times that of an aftermarket pad which is of the same quality as original.

If you choose to change to larger brakes the wheels you have will no longer fit. This means that in addition to the cost of the brakes you need to factor in larger wheels.

2. I would use an OEM Lamborghini clutch. I physically inspected my clutch after over 18,000km and it was worn less than 20%. What kills the clutch is launching the car hard so if you are gentle with your acceleration from zero the clutch lasts a long time.

Lastly consider converting your car to 2wd. There is a LOT of information here showing the advantages and everyone agrees that it is the best modification you can do to your car.
Hi !

Thanks for your reply. I will most likely go for the giro disc. It seems to be the way to go.

Which brand of pads do you recommend for these Girodisc?

Understood about the stock clutch. I might just go for the standard OEM.

Gabriel
Congrats on the Murci

Awesome machine 👍🏻
Welcome to the Manual Murci club. You'll find they're quite active here. I'd swear half this sub has on 02-03.

Somehow, I've yet to put a clutch in either of my Murcis but bumpers...I've got a spare factory pre-LP front bumper in Arancio Atlas. PM me before it ends up on my 03.
Hey guys,

I just bought an 03 Murcielago (in Germany). I live in Germany as well.

It's a 1 owner German car. 55k kms. beautiful original paint. Lamborghini maintained.

The brakes (pads & rotors) & clutch need to be replaced very soon.

I got a quote from Lamborghini for 30k€ & 22k€ from an independent mecanic for OEM parts.

I read that original rotors & pads on an early Murcielago are terrible. And that we're better off with non-OEM.
I also hear rumours that Kevlar clutches might last longer. But I have no experience with them and forums don't mention them so much.
Since I need to replace everything now, I would prefer to change for better if the price is similar (I hear you can upgrade to LP640 brakes but would need to change the wheels, sounds too complex).

What do you suggest suggest doing for both the brakes & clutch? Any brands you recommend?

Thanks,

Gabriel
Congrats on the new car!!! Love the color.

If you need a clutch, we have a few Kevlar clutch models that last up to 350% longer than an oem/stock clutch. You can read some feedbacks from our customers here:

k€ from an independent mecanic for OE
We do work with lamborghini for many years, so that have very good discount directly in Italy for new parts. I can get that done for You over the winter time in our facility.
We are based in Poland.

Here's the video of my family murcielago collection:


Here's the video about our setup:


Poland is not that far from You, so might be good option even if we add recovery cost. Will be fore sure less expensive than 22k eur ;)
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We do work with lamborghini for many years, so that have very good discount directly in Italy for new parts. I can get that done for You over the winter time in our facility.
We are based in Poland.

Here's the video of my family murcielago collection:


Here's the video about our setup:


Poland is not that far from You, so might be good option even if we add recovery cost. Will be fore sure less expensive than 22k eur ;)
That sound very tempting. The car is in Berlin. I would consider you guys if you were closer, but you are very far
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