Has Lambo given up on straightline speed?

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HEAT

Discussion Starter · Jun 26, 2021

Before you post...

Yes, I understand that cars are more than just straight line speed.

Anyway, the Huracan EVO AWD is the fastest 1/4 mile production car Lambo has ever produced and yet it's also the slowest supercar from any of the big brands.

All these cars easily gap the EVO, some by multiple car lengths.

Ferrari F8 Tributo/488 Pista/SF90
McLaren 720S/765LT
Porsche 911 Turbo S (992)
Tesla Model S Plaid (simply added due to current zeitgeist)
(I'm not going to list hyper cars, for obvious reasons)

And again, before you say "But muh engine!" or "But muh interior!" or "But muh looks!" Yes, sure, as said before the H and A offer other things their competitors don't, which subjectively, make their owners happy. That's absolutely true, but objectively, on this specific issue Lambo is getting left behind big time by their competition. And straight line speed is definitely a key metric to supercars.

So the question is -- are they going to address this with their hybrid future? Or just focus on other factors?

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kumizi

· #41 · Jun 29, 2021 (Edited)

Lambo2018 said:
Are you going to wait until the warranty has expired for the install? How long does it take to do the install? Any downsides that you have experienced?

If I was so inclined I would have to ferret out an installer here in Central Texas.....anyone know of any installers in or close to Central Texas?

Eurocharged in Round Rock can definitely handle any kid of aftermarket mods. The guy that owns the shop Adam is also an awesome dude.

The VF supercharged cars make 600-650hp at the wheels.

The AMS turbo kit which is $48,000 installed makes ~900hp at the wheels. Audi R8 Alpha 10 Twin Turbo Package (Installed) - AMSPerformance.com

But the supercharger does maintain that linear power band similar to a NA car. The turbo cars are stupid fast and probably too fast for most people for the street. They're popular with guys that like to make high speed pulls.

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Russk

· #42 · Jun 29, 2021

Blu Bull said:
I'm not 100% sure I will do it yet. Will get car and put a couple thousand miles on car before I decide. Coupe will be faster than my current spyder and if I can get 0-60's at under 2.5 and 1/4 around 10 I may keep it stock. But if I decide I want more then VF will be what I go with. No downside at all from experience with supercharging, car behaves exactly like stock until you want the extra power and keeps the car feeling more NA than going turbo's. Install on my lp610 took 3 1/2 days and I'm sure you can find many component shops in your area to do install. VF will also give you names of shops they recommend.

It sounds like a simple tune might get you there?

Lambo2018

· #43 · Jun 29, 2021

kumizi said:
Eurocharged in Round Rock can definitely handle any kid of aftermarket mods. The guy that owns the shop Adam is also an awesome dude.

The VF supercharged cars make 600-650hp at the wheels.

The AMS turbo kit which is $48,000 installed makes ~900hp at the wheels. Audi R8 Alpha 10 Twin Turbo Package (Installed) - AMSPerformance.com

But the supercharger does maintain that linear power band similar to a NA car. The turbo cars are stupid fast and probably too fast for most people for the street. They're popular with guys that like to make high speed pulls.

Thanks, for your detailed post. It has provided a few choices with points of contact which I have dutifully annotated and put on speed dial.

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Giallous?

· #44 · Jun 29, 2021

Huracaan said:
The biggest issue right now is they can't squeeze more HP out of the NA engines and the cars are not getting any lighter so they've hit a brick wall.

You need weight for top speed, according to everyone who has done Bonneville.
They are artificially limiting the top speed.
It's cheaper to engineer tires for 217 than it is for 240, because the higher-speed tires are so limited in market share that they become expensive.
Besides, people don't buy Lambos for top speed. How many do you know have even hit the speed limiter yet?

But, speaking for myself, I want all the top speed I can get, but I don't want to drive faster than my tires, so to speak.
The Bugatti, er Chevron or Croissant or whatever it was had tires that cost 42 grand per set. Lambo is not into that level of expense. They could use the same tires that the Chiron does, however, and I am surprised they do not.

But, the limiting thing is tires/expense, I think. Maybe liability if someone Cruise Missiles the thing into a hospital at Mach 0.3?

Giallous?

· #45 · Jun 29, 2021

Lambo2018 said:
Thanks, for your detailed post. It has provided a few choices with points of contact which I have dutifully annotated and put on speed dial.

If you like close-to-naturally-aspirated behavior but love the dog-cringing turbo whistle, get custom cams that massively favor the bottom end of the RPM range, that would make the car peak at around 4000RPM naturally aspirated, (but still with events suiting a turbo) then add turbos to it, which will be rapidly energized at ultra-low revs (für ein turbomotor) then carry the top end FAR FAR past what a naturally-aspirated V12 could do.

This will give you all the power you could ever toke, and no surprise ass-first-into-ditch surprise of the top-spec Ferrari F40 Stradale edition, for example.

What ruins the turbo experience is lack of intelligent engineering. No one needs 200 hp at 5000RPm then 700 at 5,001, but too many turbos don't run power-band-widening "diesel truck"-flavored cams to spread the power out far, by producing plenty of cylinder filling and exhaust gas energy to spin those little windmills up at lower RPM, so it is press gas, wait, wait, wait, then call tow truck.

Now, if you get some kind of weird kick from feeling like a giant kicked punted your car over some far-off goalpasts at 6000 RPM, and are pointed in a straight line far from the sane people, then go for it, but giant compressor wheels and cam it like an F1 car, but be ready to treat your car at all times like you are riding with a knife-wielding crazy ex-gf who loves to smooch like a gourami but can also surprise you by cutting you at any moment.

But, to each his own; I used to sell turbo cars by getting them just moving, throwing them in 3rd gear and stomping on it, and waaaaiting for the turbo rush to REALLY demonstrate the power and fling us forward.

If your performance shop doesn't touch the cam when installing a turbo, install a different shop.

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Giallous?

· #46 · Jun 29, 2021

DXM31 said:
OK confess, did you know that or did you Google it?

But do you REMEMBER the whiteeye posters? The "I'd rather light than fight?" for the reduced-agent-orange versions for Tarry Tons?

Lambo2018

· #47 · Jun 29, 2021

Giallous? said:
If you like close-to-naturally-aspirated behavior but love the dog-cringing turbo whistle, get custom cams that massively favor the bottom end of the RPM range, that would make the car peak at around 4000RPM naturally aspirated, (but still with events suiting a turbo) then add turbos to it, which will be rapidly energized at ultra-low revs (für ein turbomotor) then carry the top end FAR FAR past what a naturally-aspirated V12 could do.

This will give you all the power you could ever toke, and no surprise ass-first-into-ditch surprise of the top-spec Ferrari F40 Stradale edition, for example.

What ruins the turbo experience is lack of intelligent engineering. No one needs 200 hp at 5000RPm then 700 at 5,001, but too many turbos don't run power-band-widening "diesel truck"-flavored cams to spread the power out far, by producing plenty of cylinder filling and exhaust gas energy to spin those little windmills up at lower RPM, so it is press gas, wait, wait, wait, then call tow truck.

Now, if you get some kind of weird kick from feeling like a giant kicked punted your car over some far-off goalpasts at 6000 RPM, and are pointed in a straight line far from the sane people, then go for it, but giant compressor wheels and cam it like an F1 car, but be ready to treat your car at all times like you are riding with a knife-wielding crazy ex-gf who loves to smooch like a gourami but can also surprise you by cutting you at any moment.

But, to each his own; I used to sell turbo cars by getting them just moving, throwing them in 3rd gear and stomping on it, and waaaaiting for the turbo rush to REALLY demonstrate the power and fling us forward.

If your performance shop doesn't touch the cam when installing a turbo, install a different shop.

Thanks my friend for both the information and the education. I am very new to sports cars and super cars so I have a steep learning curve.

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Lambo2018

· #48 · Jun 29, 2021

Giallous? said:
But do you REMEMBER the whiteeye posters? The "I'd rather light than fight?" for the reduced-agent-orange versions for Tarry Tons?

I did see some of the white eyed posters but wasn't sure what it meant............well thanks to you, now I do.

kumizi

· #49 · Jun 29, 2021

Giallous? said:
What ruins the turbo experience is lack of intelligent engineering. No one needs 200 hp at 5000RPm then 700 at 5,001, but too many turbos don't run power-band-widening "diesel truck"-flavored cams to spread the power out far, by producing plenty of cylinder filling and exhaust gas energy to spin those little windmills up at lower RPM, so it is press gas, wait, wait, wait, then call tow truck.

Now, if you get some kind of weird kick from feeling like a giant kicked punted your car over some far-off goalpasts at 6000 RPM, and are pointed in a straight line far from the sane people, then go for it, but giant compressor wheels and cam it like an F1 car, but be ready to treat your car at all times like you are riding with a knife-wielding crazy ex-gf who loves to smooch like a gourami but can also surprise you by cutting you at any moment.

Excellent points. All these turbo shops maximize their setups for peak hp and roll racing because that's what the customers want.

Giallous?

· #50 · Jun 29, 2021

kumizi said:
Excellent points. All these turbo shops maximize their setups for peak hp and roll racing because that's what the customers want.

Ah, but you can have your cake and eat it too, if you find the right shop.

Lambo2018

· #51 · Jun 29, 2021

Entertaining video I felt some members may enjoy.

fabo

· #52 · Jun 30, 2021

Lambo2018 said:
The pricing for the Stage 3 plus gets a little pricey at $175K USD at Underground Racing. Are those prices inline with what you know?

Lamborghini Huracán TT

Underground Racing

undergroundracing.com

Hey mate, yes that does sound pricey but they have the best name in the USA.
My Precision Racing Australia kit installed with their custom titanium exhaust and flex fuel cost me just around $100K AUD so that is like $65-70K? USD for double the horsepower. It comes with a 2 year warranty which was worth it for me as my Lambo warranty ran out.

But its not all about speed, its the rush you feel driving it fast or slow around the neighbourhood. You really need to experience it to fully understand

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Lambo2018

· #53 · Jun 30, 2021

^^Thanks! That added power must be such a cool rush. I’m seriously thinking about it..........

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Russk

· #54 · Jun 30, 2021

Great video, 2.3 sec to 60 and under 10sec 1/4 is crazy fast.

Lambo2018

· #55 · Jun 30, 2021

Russk said:
Great video, 2.3 sec to 60 and under 10sec 1/4 is crazy fast.

It’s pretty cool and on the backroads of Texas I could use that kind of power LEO free.

kumizi

· #56 · Jun 30, 2021

Lambo2018 said:
It’s pretty cool and on the backroads of Texas I could use that kind of power LEO free.

Lol you're going to go down this rabbit hole.

Oooh 800 hp sound fun. Oooh 1000hp is only $20k more. Oh man I wonder what 1200hp feels like.

Lambo2018

· #57 · Jun 30, 2021

kumizi said:
Lol you're going to go down this rabbit hole.

Oooh 800 hp sound fun. Oooh 1000hp is only $20k more. Oh man I wonder what 1200hp feels like.

Well I am just trying to keep up with @fabo.......he has a Mean Green Rocket-ship on four wheels.

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fabo

· #58 · Jun 30, 2021 (Edited)

Lambo2018 said:
Well I am just trying to keep up with @fabo.......he has a Mean Green Rocket-ship on four wheels.

Kumizi has a point...speed is very addictive, I thought a 1100hp was enough, now I am upgrading to 1500hp

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Joetwint

· #59 · Jun 30, 2021

Giallous? said:
If you like close-to-naturally-aspirated behavior but love the dog-cringing turbo whistle, get custom cams that massively favor the bottom end of the RPM range, that would make the car peak at around 4000RPM naturally aspirated, (but still with events suiting a turbo) then add turbos to it, which will be rapidly energized at ultra-low revs (für ein turbomotor) then carry the top end FAR FAR past what a naturally-aspirated V12 could do.

This will give you all the power you could ever toke, and no surprise ass-first-into-ditch surprise of the top-spec Ferrari F40 Stradale edition, for example.

What ruins the turbo experience is lack of intelligent engineering. No one needs 200 hp at 5000RPm then 700 at 5,001, but too many turbos don't run power-band-widening "diesel truck"-flavored cams to spread the power out far, by producing plenty of cylinder filling and exhaust gas energy to spin those little windmills up at lower RPM, so it is press gas, wait, wait, wait, then call tow truck.

Now, if you get some kind of weird kick from feeling like a giant kicked punted your car over some far-off goalpasts at 6000 RPM, and are pointed in a straight line far from the sane people, then go for it, but giant compressor wheels and cam it like an F1 car, but be ready to treat your car at all times like you are riding with a knife-wielding crazy ex-gf who loves to smooch like a gourami but can also surprise you by cutting you at any moment.

But, to each his own; I used to sell turbo cars by getting them just moving, throwing them in 3rd gear and stomping on it, and waaaaiting for the turbo rush to REALLY demonstrate the power and fling us forward.

If your performance shop doesn't touch the cam when installing a turbo, install a different shop.

huh?

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LMYHURRACAN

· #60 · Jun 30, 2021

Blu Bull said:
I'm not 100% sure I will do it yet. Will get car and put a couple thousand miles on car before I decide. Coupe will be faster than my current spyder and if I can get 0-60's at under 2.5 and 1/4 around 10 I may keep it stock. But if I decide I want more then VF will be what I go with. No downside at all from experience with supercharging, car behaves exactly like stock until you want the extra power and keeps the car feeling more NA than going turbo's. Install on my lp610 took 3 1/2 days and I'm sure you can find many component shops in your area to do install. VF will also give you names of shops they recommend.

I recommend of course what I did. I did a test drive side by side with a Perf and a 720 3 years ago. Anyone can do it at Dream Racing or Las Vegas Speedway $499 for 5 laps with an instructor(very helpful). Now I am comparing both cars on a track with an instructor. There was no comparison how much better the Perf was handling for me was and of course the sound. Flash forward 1 year, and I set up an appointment with Nik the head of VF. He invited me over for a test drive of his SuperCharged Perf, and that sealed the deal. 6 months later Nik was my co-driver on 10 days of Gold Rush Rally through 10 States. First day, I drove in the morning, I drove driving my usual 5,000-6,000 rpm. After lunch Nik drove, and we were surrounded by 100 super cars, and Nik causally said my Perf was the fastest, but I did not know how to out perform a 720 or Bugatti. He shared that I that a super charger sweet spot was in the low rpm of 2,500 to 5,000. He then proceeded to out perform the 720's with easy. Seeing is believing. Go ahead and give Nik a call, and get the information from him. Share my name or not, I think it is better to surprise him and not mention my name.
My car is working fine, and I have added 10,000 since adding the supercharger. As to warranty, that is simple, if a major problem just unbolt it, and bring it to the dealer. In my case, no problem because I believe I am currently out of the warranty period. Lambo fortunately are bullet proof to a large extent, and a supercharger is as radical power boost as twin turbos.

I believe we are living in interesting times. I noticed that Ferrari has introduced hybrids in general production. I hope at Pebble Beach Lambo will make an announcement about some changes especially for an A which is getting way long in the tooth. I have enjoyed my Lambo with the VF mod, and see a good reason to change nothing.

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