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Hi all,
Finally time to seriously start looking at SL's. Couldn't be more excited, but want to be sure I pick a good one out of the available lot. Really looking for Nero Noctis, but not opposed to Grigio Telesto if significantly better specs/mileage.
For those more experienced users (pretty much all more than me!), what can you tell me about these two?

06552 from Lambo Dallas
05896 from RP Exotics

I like the stock-ness of 06552, and the fact its from the dealer. But I love the exhaust on 05896, although it has higher mileage. How much weight shall I put in the reverse camera and CCB?

Any/all comments appreciated, thanks.
 

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I would say hold out a bit.

1) The exotic market is cooling down and going to cool down even more as winter hits.
2) Both cars are relatively high mileage (especially the Dallas one).
3) Both cars are also asking close to LP/LP Spyder prices... which is nuts.

Are you really set on an SL? Because you can get an LP which is much more solid, 5 years newer, and will likely not ever need a clutch/egear job unless you reverse up a hill in your lifetime. I get the SL is limited but almost all that stuff you can do to an LP— and you can do it, save a bunch, and also end up with a frankly better and more reliable car.

Let me know and I’ll give my thoughts.

Regardless, even if you’re set on the pre-LP SL, I say keep looking. Dealers are holding out trying to set market price right now — must have had the cars on the lot for months though and are getting antsy.
 

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Hey man—

I would suggest to never buy an older exotic (especially a non-historical or vintage one) from a non dealer. The reason is simple— most of the older exotics have been tortured because of the owners prior.

I won’t buy any special edition exotic from any non-franchise dealer. A 16M or 458 Speciale will be from a Ferrari dealer. A Performante or Superleggera will be from a Lamborghini dealer. If I ever go insane and want to lose 200k in a day, a LT from a mclaren dealer. Limited edition cars are almost always offered for wholesale pricing to their respective franchise dealer the holding dealer has a relationship. A 16M might get traded in on an Aventador and the Lamborghini dealer will call their friend at the Ferrari dealership and say “hey we have one of your halo cars, you want it?”

It’s better for the dealership to have this system not just for prestige but for ease of sale— it’s “free” and easy to plug the LARA into the SL, check clutch life, do secret voodoo, run a service and list it. It’s much more expensive for Ferrari to send the car in to their buddy at Lambo, get dealer rates on service, and take it back.

Anyway the point of this ramble is that almost ANY dealership you see selling a limited edition exotic that is NOT a franchise dealer is selling a car with stories. Because they have called their friend at the franchise, given them the info, etc and the franchise decided “a limited edition collector’s car that costs us nothing to sell? It’s not worth it.”

Just my thoughts.

I will say as someone who has driven both LP/preLP cars — the LP is a wildly more reliable and “well built” car. It feels higher quality which is why a lot of us spend thousands buying little conversion kits and replacement parts to at least try to replicate them.
 

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Hey I looked into that Dallas car a while back and have some service records and even spoke to the shop where it was serviced before it was traded in. It has been in their inventory for over a year, probably closer to a year and a half now.

Feel free to PM to discuss. Happy to help!
 

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So I watched the market for a few years before jumping into my SL 3.5 years ago.

I only wanted a white SL so it was going to be finding a needle in a haystack.

I decided on a Pre Lp was a better choice for me for a few reasons.

Documentation of 172 total made for North America.
The SOUND of PRELP is intoxicating!

One day when it’s time to sell PRELP cars will be a rare commodity. Look at all cars that have increased in value. Cars with known hard #’s made.

LP SL’s were about 20k more at my time of purchase

It’s still about a 20-40k spread now a days all depending on mileage.

LP’s were made per order and no one knows how many are really made in each color. They also are more prone to carbon build up in the heads.

I almost settled for a Grigio telesto but I found my needle One of 10 whites during my search. 6 have been Twin Turbo’d and two have been wrecked. Other one resides in San Francisco.

Here is a great site to see what PRELP are avail and what has sold.

http://gallardosuperleggera.com/forsale.html


There are 4 Grigio’s available currently. As for black they really need to be inspected personally as it’s the toughest color to maintain swirl free. Everyone’s perception of immaculate is deceiving. Black looks amazing when clean but 1 hour after washing a black car it’s dirty again.


Good luck with your search. It’s prime time buyers market as winter is starting.
 

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Hey man—

I would suggest to never buy an older exotic (especially a non-historical or vintage one) from a non dealer. The reason is simple— most of the older exotics have been tortured because of the owners prior.

I won’t buy any special edition exotic from any non-franchise dealer. A 16M or 458 Speciale will be from a Ferrari dealer. A Performante or Superleggera will be from a Lamborghini dealer. If I ever go insane and want to lose 200k in a day, a LT from a mclaren dealer. Limited edition cars are almost always offered for wholesale pricing to their respective franchise dealer the holding dealer has a relationship. A 16M might get traded in on an Aventador and the Lamborghini dealer will call their friend at the Ferrari dealership and say “hey we have one of your halo cars, you want it?”

It’s better for the dealership to have this system not just for prestige but for ease of sale— it’s “free” and easy to plug the LARA into the SL, check clutch life, do secret voodoo, run a service and list it. It’s much more expensive for Ferrari to send the car in to their buddy at Lambo, get dealer rates on service, and take it back.

Anyway the point of this ramble is that almost ANY dealership you see selling a limited edition exotic that is NOT a franchise dealer is selling a car with stories. Because they have called their friend at the franchise, given them the info, etc and the franchise decided “a limited edition collector’s car that costs us nothing to sell? It’s not worth it.”

Just my thoughts.

I will say as someone who has driven both LP/preLP cars — the LP is a wildly more reliable and “well built” car. It feels higher quality which is why a lot of us spend thousands buying little conversion kits and replacement parts to at least try to replicate them.
I'm not ENTIRELY sold on this mentality. I think in general solid advice. But if you do the right amount of research into the right car... They all are not cars with stories.

Case in point, my '13 SL bought at luxury non-lambo dealer. Well known to Lambo I should say. Car with 16k miles I bought for under what that kabani motorsports one is selling for (despite being 2 years newer and lower miles). Welcome to Canada (maybe?). Either way, It had full service records done at Lambo, spoke with Lambo techs about the car, had a full EXHAUSTIVE PPI done (paid for more than the average I guess including compression tests and more) and it was as flawless as can be with excellent clutch life left.

The car was a steal and it was only because of 3 months of hassling the dealer to come down haha. I knew what he paid for it and after it sitting on his lot for 8 months (3 of which were me working him) he sold it for 1k more than what he paid for it. Given the time on the lot, etc... I'm sure he lost. But I won.

Moral of the story, 99 percent of the time, don't do sketchy dealers. But needles in hay stacks do exist.

(famous last words before mine blows up haha. Good thing it's parked for winter)

Good luck!

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Such great info thanks. I have been flip-flopping with both mentalities. I love the "specialty" feel of the pre-LP, but of course love something a little more modern being my first Lambo (never having to worry about a clutch sure sounds nice). Honestly, I don't think I'd know the difference without owning both, but I'll probably go to one of the dealers with both options and see what the test drives reveal.
 

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Sweet! Would definitely go for white over all else but it looks like they only pop up every few years. I’m way too impatient for that. Nicely done, glad you found it! Pic?!

I almost settled for a Grigio telesto but I found my needle One of 10 whites during my search.
 

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I'm not ENTIRELY sold on this mentality. I think in general solid advice. But if you do the right amount of research into the right car... They all are not cars with stories.

Case in point, my '13 SL bought at luxury non-lambo dealer. Well known to Lambo I should say. Car with 16k miles I bought for under what that kabani motorsports one is selling for (despite being 2 years newer and lower miles). Welcome to Canada (maybe?). Either way, It had full service records done at Lambo, spoke with Lambo techs about the car, had a full EXHAUSTIVE PPI done (paid for more than the average I guess including compression tests and more) and it was as flawless as can be with excellent clutch life left.

The car was a steal and it was only because of 3 months of hassling the dealer to come down haha. I knew what he paid for it and after it sitting on his lot for 8 months (3 of which were me working him) he sold it for 1k more than what he paid for it. Given the time on the lot, etc... I'm sure he lost. But I won.

Moral of the story, 99 percent of the time, don't do sketchy dealers. But needles in hay stacks do exist.

(famous last words before mine blows up haha. Good thing it's parked for winter)

Good luck!

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Hey boneguy,

You bought the '13 white SL from Serpa? If so, I know your car very well and it's a very nice car. I almost bought it in January when the car just arrived their shop.

I ended up buying from Pfaff, which is non-lambo dealer but similar level as they are Mclaren/Porsche/Pagani dealer and only keep highest quality cars in their own inventory.

I do agree you can find good quality cars in smaller dealers but you have to do your own homework. In my case though, there is definitely a huge difference in the whole shopping experience between Serpa (smaller shop) and Pfaff. I'd just say Serpa has significant room for improvement in how to work with people buying $200k cars (instead of the $50k bmws/benzes). My wife still doesn't understand why I've wasted time/money with Serpa (I did a PPI on your white SL BTW :)...). Nonetheless, boneguy, I do think your car is solid. I'd say my deal fell through because of the wrong people at the shop, not because of the car.

To the OP, I was struggling between PreLP and LP SL too. I prefer the PreLP (was looking at a white one, which is rare for PreLP). But my wife prefers the look and reliability of the newer car, so I end up buying a LP SL. With the price gap closing between PreLP and LP SL, I do think LP SL is a better deal and gives you better peace of mind. About the 2 PreLP cars, I'd pick the lower mileage car, if everything checks out (and do apply caution when dealing with smaller dealers). Good luck!
 

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Hey acklam!

Correct! And yes I can agree with you on the people at serpa having room for improvement. Hence why it took so long with the back and forth. Pfaff would be a higher level than serpa and I've only had great experiences with pfaff. They are definitely a powerhouse. For me tho the serpa car was too good for the price I ended up getting it for, especially after everything I had done to ensure its quality. And it's been perfect. In the end, I think we won and they lost which made me feel better too haha. I appreciate your kind words. Funny how you almost bought it!

What did you pick up from Pfaff? I live in Vaughan and have my eye on GT3s every day when I pass by haha.

I almost bought the yellow squadra corsa that the guys from DDE on YouTube eventually bought. But I didn't feel comfortable with that car being private sale. So for sure people should spend their time... In my case months... To make sure you're happy. Isn't always a dream experience like we wish for, but if the car speaks for itself than that's what is most important.

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Dallas car has more miles but appears to be in better shape. Other car has less miles but suspect has been driven hard. Either Dallas car or keep looking.
 

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Will definitely keep looking, may go to Dallas to check it out. But if Spring rolls around and I still haven't found one..... :evil:

Dallas car has more miles but appears to be in better shape. Other car has less miles but suspect has been driven hard. Either Dallas car or keep looking.
 

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Timing is perfect to hop into one of these. Of the two, the Dallas SL seems to be better maintained. But obviously go in person or have a thorough 3rd party PPI conducted so you can get the true details of each one. The SL looks incredibly mean in black, but I know how much of a pain they are to keep clean. In the end, its always worth the hassle though :)

Best of luck in your search!
 
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