[Huracaan]

No way that's an official notice and my dealer hasn't heard anything. He did mention the factory is shutting down a week early for retooling which I assume is for the A replacement.

 

[Huracaan]

Btw, the replacement H will share the same platform as the A replacement so if you can't find H allocation just wait until the replacement.

 

[Huracaan]

It's not like the latest H variants are blow your socks off exciting. The STO for example is too quite and is way too comfortable for a hardcore track variant. I'm actually bored with it and I always end up driving my SVJ. I'm sure the Tecnica will be a snoozefest with a 0-60 time of 3+seconds.

Lambo is basically milking an old platform, old engine with minor changes.

 

[Huracaan]

I've owned a few H's so maybe that's why I'm bored but the STO hasn't really captured my heart. Look wise it looks awesome but driving wise it feels the same as the EVO AWD and Perf. Maybe I need to push it on the track.

 

[Huracaan]

There's more than 1200 STO's.

 

[Huracaan]

Andrea baldi told me two weeks ago at the Esperienza event in Sonoma that the number is between 1200-1300 units. I tend to believe the CEO of Lamborghini NA when he says that directly to me.

When the Perf got launched the suits claimed 1000-1200 total Perfs including spyders during the private previews.

Btw, I met him a month ago at the Tecnica unveiling in Toronto and during a private lunch. Nice guy but he loves to talk and no suit is going to give you exact production numbers.

 

[Huracaan]

Some of you are really hell bent about these cars selling over msrp. Makes me wonder if you're buying to actually enjoy these cars or looking to flip.

I can't wait until this market returns to normal so it can weed out all the flippers.

 

[Huracaan]

I think the realization that next gen cars will be heavier, quieter, electrified and have more safety nannies is creating an unusually high demand for current model supercars. I think there will be fewer H owners inclined to 'upgrade' to the replacement than in past new platform releases.

Wishful thinking and Lamborghini owners a different type of buyer than say Ferrari and Porsche.

 

[Huracaan]

Also during covid alot of people got rich rather fast. Many had purchased a side investment property which in Canada more then doubled in value in a couple years. Some of them used the profits to buy toys or more investments and some used it to pay off some if not all their debts. Still extra income to spread around after and enjoy.

There's a difference between liquid and paper gains or people borrowing against equity to buy toys. And I don't buy into the narrative that there's still extra income to spread around for supercars.

 

[Huracaan]

And which is why the rate hikes will wipe out a lot of people who are overleveraged and can't afford to service their debt which is now all of a sudden more expensive than it was a year ago.

 

[Huracaan]

Not wishing for anything, it’s just the feeling I have. The subset of Huracan owners who chose that car because of the NA engine and care more
about driving enjoyment over image will not be easily lured into the new model if it’s larger, heavier has a twin turbo with GPFs and hybrid assist. I happen to think the size of that driving enthusiast subset is quite large, particularly in the last few years where the unique selling proposition of the Huracan has become more widely appreciated.

But there's also 20,000+ H's produced, tons of G's, R8 V10's so I don't know how much value these cars will hold long term because they'll be plenty of them around.

 

[Huracaan]

I think one needs to look at the supercar market through the lens of ‘pre’ and ‘post’ hybrid generation models. The number of pure ICE cars will not increase from 2025 onwards while the number of enthusiasts who desire them will likely continue to grow in numbers. I believe 2010-current era of cars represent the sweet spot in terms of performance, reliability, engagement and reasonable comfort/tech interface. I predict they’ll be highly sought after in the years to come.

I still think they'll be plenty of NA V10 cars on the market to satisfy demand for years to come and to keep prices low. The Countach is a prefect example of a car that is now starting to see some movement in prices but it's always been considered a "high" production car among collectors.

 

[Huracaan]

I definitely bought my car to enjoy, but I am not rich enough to turn down a $100,000 profit on a $250,000 investment.

Sell now if you want to make $100k profit.

 

[Huracaan]

Lambo will continue to milk, I mean build, the H until the very end. Anyone saying otherwise is out to lunch and don't be shocked if they drop a final editon H similar to the Ultimae.

 

[Huracaan]

There's a reason why Lambo hasn't marketed the Tecnica or the Sterrato as the last NA V10 model. Still plenty of time to add one more variant before production ends.

 

[Huracaan]

Maybe a squadra version is behind the curtain ...or 60th version just like galllardo they had 50th with all bits and pieces from other versions.

I'm leaning towards a 60th anniversary model.

 

[Huracaan]

I don't know how many flippers are left or willing to fork over a hefty deposit for a car that might not arrive for 18 months.

I asked my SA about people flaking and he hasn't seen it yet and most of the people on his list for the Tecnica and U S/Perf are repeat clients. There is a strong possibility certain segments of the car market doesn't collapse and all we see is a minor correction. We shall wait and see...

 

[Huracaan]

At my dealer, the deposit was only $10k, I could see potential flippers walking away from their deposits in 12+ months if the market softens. I know quite a few existing owners ordering new a Huracan/Urus because they think they'll trade their car for MSRP and buy the new at MSRP, only paying the marginal delta in price to get a car with zero miles, full warranty etc. I personally think those days are long gone...

They might not have to worry because they might not get allocations anyways. The thing is demand so far hasn't soften and there's only so many cars Lambo will be producing until the replacements for the U and H arrive so I think there's enough "legit" buyers to keep order books full.