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Default Plagiary

A designer, by lack of inspiration and talent of his own, clumsily copies the work of a master and puts his own signature on it.

This is called plagiary, and does not make a new car.

Lambaudi are not Lamborghinis anymore, designed and built in Germany (and Romania for the engine) by the same people - probably good engineers, but with little more than the badge Lamborghini to make it different from Audi-made cars.
The same "return on investment" is at work at Ferra-Fiat, recycling and selling the names of the past : Testa Rossa (absurdly compacted in one word), GTO, California, Enzo, Maranello, and now GTB... Next will be P3/P4 ?

This "newmiuraconcept" just makes the orignal period Lamborghinis more and more a breed of their own : master works sought after by lmillions of collectors and entusiasts. Modern "Ferra-Fiat" and "Lambaudi" are just industrial products, and in this case a plagiary of a famous model of the past.
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Cool this is called plagiary.

Audi-VW are working to get a high return on investment in the brand Lamborghini. It is obvious that, since the first Gallardo, the new cars presented under this name are already much more Audi than Lamborghini, which is becoming merely the Italian sounding name of their high-end range. Next will come the Lambo-badged Audi-VW SUV, etc.

It is not only based on the fact that more and more parts are shared between the two brands (and it will be even more so in the future with same platforms used under both badges).

It also a matter of "identity". What makes the identity of a car manufacturer is how the cars are designed - and by whom ; and how they are built - and by whom.

In this case, Audis and Lamborghini are designed and developed by the same people (moved from one brand to another like Da Silva), the same software and computers, and will be more and more industrially built by tens of thousands in the same factories in Germany or Romania, for the sake of cost-effectiveness.

This has to be compared with the few hand-built masterpieces that took shape in the mind of talented and bright engineers that worked hard to demonstrate the superiority of their original ideas and invented new genes and chromosomes that would give birth to the apogee of sports cars.

Incidentally, the VW-pseudo-"Bugatti" Veyron was designed in Germany by VW engineers and will also be essentially built in Germany, even though engines and chassis could be assembled in the vicinity of Molsheim. Some people say that it will only be true for two or three cars, as a nice window to display to the wealthy clients when they take delivery of their Veyron...


The "miuraconcept" is a mock-up and not a car, hence with a sleek finish that helps it LOOK, at first glance, like a nice sports car. But what it IS is merely a fake or a counterfeit product, illicitly and cynically stealing many shapes and ideas that belong to their creators (Gandini, and Ferruccio Lamborghini's team).

In all areas of creative activities, this is called plagiary.

Anyway, this is also true with Ferrari trying to make as much money as possible with a past that they pretend that they are owning (Enzo, Maranello, Testa Rossa, Modena, California, GTO), and Ford recycling Cobra, Ford GT, Vantage or Rapide (Aston-Martin) names. It does not and will never give to any industrial car the authentic identity of a period Ferrari, Cobra, etc.

The overall result, on the medium term is that the only true meaning of the words Lamborghini, Ferrari, Aston Matin, will more and more become specifically "CLASSIC Lamborghinis and Ferraris", as opposed to industrial-VW-Lambo or industrial Fiat-Ferrari.

This is not too bad after all: the different nature and identity of the two kind of breeds are just going to become more and more obvious with time.

A Miura or Islero is a matchless work of art, a joy to drive, to listen to, to look at, to clean, to examine, to show, to maintain by yourself if you can, and is only gaining value year after year. Exactly like a master's painting or sculpture.

The scale resin reproductions of a Michelangelo sculpture, even mounted on an electrically powered chrome rotating base, will never be compared to one of the actual artist's works, admired by millions at the Louvre.


We remain with only a couple of small high-end sports car manufacturers that keep the flame burning : like Pagani, Koenigsegg, and possibly – if the dream come true – Project1221 with their turbine luxury sports car, meant to be presented this year.
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i am sorry about that ferrari loard. can you forgive me and lets be friends?
What did you do?? And whatever it is, I forgive you
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A designer, by lack of inspiration and talent of his own, clumsily copies the work of a master and puts his own signature on it.

This is called plagiary, and does not make a new car.

Lambaudi are not Lamborghinis anymore, designed and built in Germany (and Romania for the engine) by the same people - probably good engineers, but with little more than the badge Lamborghini to make it different from Audi-made cars.
The same "return on investment" is at work at Ferra-Fiat, recycling and selling the names of the past : Testa Rossa (absurdly compacted in one word), GTO, California, Enzo, Maranello, and now GTB... Next will be P3/P4 ?

This "newmiuraconcept" just makes the orignal period Lamborghinis more and more a breed of their own : master works sought after by lmillions of collectors and entusiasts. Modern "Ferra-Fiat" and "Lambaudi" are just industrial products, and in this case a plagiary of a famous model of the past.
I am sorry but I don't remember any Lamborghinis in the past that look like the Murcie, Gallardo or the concept S. And since when are they made in Germany??? There are a number of our members that have toured the factory in Italy and have seen the build process. So please share your source of the information that you have supplied us. Thanks for your opinion on the matter.
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The scale resin reproductions of a Michelangelo sculpture, even mounted on an electrically powered chrome rotating base, will never be compared to one of the actual artist's works, admired by millions at the Louvre.

This is an insane argument. Lamborghinis are still mostly hand-made in Italy. Your comparison of sculptures is absurd. You are comparing a masterpiece to a mass-produced cast made in China. So you are telling me that there are no longer actual artist or sculptors in the world anymore?? So if they use modern tools and air chisels, their work is less respected?? I am sorry but how are you reading this board? On a computer that could be the same one that an Italian or German may have used to design a car so why don't you show us how it is done... You have the tools and it seems to be pretty easy in your mind. Please WOW us with the next McLaren F1...oh wait that is not a true car either because it has a german engine that was mass produced in it... I am starting to see your point
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Looks good, but I rather they leave the Miura alone and maybe just make a succussor to it. Kinda like countach < diablo < muri, but than again you can not make everyone happy.
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If the "new" Muira stays a concept, then I like it. If not, then I don't.
Ford get away with launching a GT because the GT40 was never really a road car and most people's memories of them are of race track exploits. The Muira was a road car, with real identity, and a design icon, and as such should be respectfully left well alone.
If the name alone was carried over to a new, worthy design I would see that as respectful but the shape of the original shouldn't be copied or tweaked. I don't like the F430 for that very reason. Too many styling cues stolen from the Ferrari back catalogue.
Like I say, the concept looks fantastic, just don't make it.
Lamborghini needs to keep looking forward. Gallardo and Murcielargo are making the company money, keeping them alive and in business.
On the matter of identity, the relationship with Audi isn't entirely one sided. Audi are learning alot from Sant' Agata as well. So there's some Audi in Lambo's? Fine, but it's mostly the stuff the Italians are bad at like electrics, ergonomics, air-con. Personally, I'm grateful!
Audi will almost certainly be building more driver focussed cars as the Lambo connection takes effect.
My Gallardo is not an Audi. If it is, then surely ALL cars are just reworkings of Gottlieb Daimlers idea! So we're all driving Daimlers are we? Didn't think so.
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when does the next la auto show start what date what time and how much is it?
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when does the next la auto show start what date what time and how much is it?
Please ask questions that pertain to the tread. If you want info on auto shows look it up on the internet!! Final Warning.
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