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Old 12-06-2012, 10:38 PM
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GTR is a turbo-ed engine vehicle.... a small tweak is all u need for a turbo vehicle to give u a a generous amount of HP.

What we have forgotten is the gallardo is a NA engine, where hp is difficult to squeeze out from, unless we do a force induction.

To squeeze out 10hp from an intake for a NA engine, i feel, is a significant mod towards gallardo, but of course, i may not echo my view for the rest of the guys here.

The R8 V10 guys are having rave reviews on how the change of intakes improves the car when we really share the same engines and essentailly the same platform, and gains should be similar too, however the gallardo guys are saying intakes change are useless.... ironic..
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:53 AM
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Rofl at the $30 worth of parts for $1k. Seriously! Lol
i always love when a consumer that is not IN our industry comes up with an arbitrary number for how much things cost manufacturers. Ivan has a LOT of time invested in these (he owns a shop in Singapore, with employees he must pay, machines he must run, and development time he has to be compensated for), him and i have sent ideas and drawings back and forth for months to come up with a good setup, he has paid huge shipping fees to get intake filters from me to complete the testing, has paid for dyno time to prove that there is power gains, and paid to have these pieces made... you arent just paying for the silicone pieces, you are paying for the engineering/dyno time/r&d/etc.

if he were making these for a Honda civic of course the price would be a lot lower... there are a lot more Honda civics out there to absorb all the costs.. i don't think its so much a Lamborghini tax but more the Lamborghini crowd that is willing to modify their cars is a very VERY small/specific market.

What blows my mind is people will shell out 1000 dollars on an ECU tune that has no data backing it up for similar gains to these intakes... the potential damage from installing a PROVEN intake part compared to the potential damage from installing an UNPROVEN tune is just crazy.

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I just realized that he is ALSO including the BMC filters which are NOT cheap, and the "neck" that goes between the filter and coupler.
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Regular jet taking off ---> sounds like a regular jet taking off

Lambo with Fabspeed exhaust taking off ---> sounds like a regular jet taking off

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I am in for any updates...
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Not in your industry? Wow! This is why we do not tell anyone what we do for a living? These parts are essentially the same mass air adapter you would buy for any Bosch sensor, with an adapter for that style filter. The filter is still the same mass produced filter without the bottom attached to it. So the only thing I see different is the change in the filter mounting.

I'm sure you will get people to buy them. Lambo owners don't do anything themselves, and if they do, they are already twin turboed or something.

Plus I've yet to see actual dyno graphs of anything. Not only that. Until an actual unbiased lambo owner installs this part and shows the power difference, I won't believe anything. It's very easy to fool dyno runs. I should know, I've been in this industry for 18 years. Seen it done in person with major companies.

David you do great work. Never thought anything different. I do understand the development costs and other stuff. But seriously....I'll just stop there.

I hope you make millions op....just won't be off me....sorry
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Not in your industry? Wow! This is why we do not tell anyone what we do for a living? These parts are essentially the same mass air adapter you would buy for any Bosch sensor, with an adapter for that style filter. The filter is still the same mass produced filter without the bottom attached to it. So the only thing I see different is the change in the filter mounting.

I'm sure you will get people to buy them. Lambo owners don't do anything themselves, and if they do, they are already twin turboed or something.

Plus I've yet to see actual dyno graphs of anything. Not only that. Until an actual unbiased lambo owner installs this part and shows the power difference, I won't believe anything. It's very easy to fool dyno runs. I should know, I've been in this industry for 18 years. Seen it done in person with major companies.

David you do great work. Never thought anything different. I do understand the development costs and other stuff. But seriously....I'll just stop there.

I hope you make millions op....just won't be off me....sorry
look, u said it costs $30. Fine. Charge me $100 each, i will buy 100 sets from you. This would make u a tidy profit of $7000 for just getting the parts ready. I will pick it up from ur doorstep, wherever u r.

Im not trying to be a prick here, but to say it costs $30??? C'mon.... being in the industry for 18years, or so u claimed, u should know the silicon hoses alone costs more than $30. Even the filters cost more.

Factor in all these bullsh*t, u still got to remember, for a gallardo, its x 2, becos its a V engine. 2 filters, 2 hoses, 2 O2 sensor holder.... now tell me if it still costs $30.
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Ok $60 . Better
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Ok $60 . Better
Hmmmm... Suddenly you double the cost.. even if it is only 60 bucks... Works well for your credibility.

I am not one who will spend on modding my Gallardos engine as its plenty fast for me. But I think David rightly pointed out there is more than the physical cost of the parts alone.

R&D, rental, as well as other overheads (electricity, shipping, rental of dyno etc etc) all need to be added into a cost of what at the moment is only a 10 piece run I am assuming. You think an iPad is the cost of the parts alone? Or a lamborghini for that matter? So how do you price your merchandise? I might buy some stuff off you if you only charge me the cost of the parts alone...
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OMG, you mean my IPAD doesn't really cost $699???? I've been duped!

J/K, I am interested to see a dyno result from this new intake. As am sure a lot of people do as well.
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If Ivan wants to send me a setup, and a customer wants to donate their car, is be willing to offer Dyno time.. Our Dyno is set up unlike almost any other due to cost, we have our front and rear rollers linked which means we can run cars like the gallardo without fear of bad results as it accurately replicates the car driving down the road (spins front and rear wheels at the same speed)
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Lambo with Fabspeed exhaust taking off ---> sounds like a regular jet taking off
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If Ivan wants to send me a setup, and a customer wants to donate their car, is be willing to offer Dyno time.. Our Dyno is set up unlike almost any other due to cost, we have our front and rear rollers linked which means we can run cars like the gallardo without fear of bad results as it accurately replicates the car driving down the road (spins front and rear wheels at the same speed)
David, u know what? i will do just that.... Will send you one set once they are ready. U can try on a gallardo LP or an Audi R8 5.2.

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