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Old 11-28-2012, 05:07 AM
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I know that the e-gear is way faster, all paddle shifting if faster, but I am not tracking the car and I just prefer the 3 pedal manual gearbox from a connectedness perspective with the car. I bought a 2012 Porsche Turbo S Cabrio with the PDK paddle tranny this summer that lasted about 500 miles in my garage before I sold it. I just didn't enjoy not rowing through gears and missed having a manual gearbox. Now, I realize that a G-car is a different animal, but I am just a little old fashioned.
Im with you. Ive driven both. Egear is boring. Theres nothing like rowing the gears on your own. I would not even consider egear. I also know that egear is faster on the track but 99 % of the time would be on the road for me so thats where i would want the car to be the most enjoyable. Im old school though and if i could turn off all the computer stuff i would do that as well. Haha
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:02 AM
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I just didn't enjoy not rowing through gears and missed having a manual gearbox. Now, I realize that a G-car is a different animal, but I am just a little old fashioned.
I just don't understand your statement about "...not rowing through gears." If you're in Sport or Corsa mode, you totally command what gear the car is in at all times. It is absolutely no different than a manual; you're simply up and downshifting with you fingers instead of your right arm...and your hand never leaves the steering wheel. Couple that with the fact that you'll never be able to manually shift in 125th. of a second, or downshift as efficiently as the current e-gear. I guess you stick guys simply want to feel more useful, and there's nothing wrong with that. Me, I love my e-gear.
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:16 AM
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I just don't understand your statement about "...not rowing through gears." If you're in Sport or Corsa mode, you totally command what gear the car is in at all times. It is absolutely no different than a manual; you're simply up and downshifting with you fingers instead of your right arm...and your hand never leaves the steering wheel. Couple that with the fact that you'll never be able to manually shift in 125th. of a second, or downshift as efficiently as the current e-gear. I guess you stick guys simply want to feel more useful, and there's nothing wrong with that. Me, I love my e-gear.
Obviously us 6 speed guys are in the minority as the sales more than prove that. I think its something like 90 percent of the cars are delivered with egear. Everyone has their preference. I just found driving it with egear was boring. It was like playing a video game and I felt dorky using the paddles to shift so I just ended up putting it in auto mode and leaving it. I just feel way more connected to the car when I'm part of the shift process instead of a computer doing it for me. As far as a track goes there is no question that the egear will save you a few seconds on the track but a highly skilled driver in a true manual can get close and there is no question it takes a LOT more skill to drive a stick fast. I believe that the fastest stock production car at Nurburgring is still a Viper ACR that was a manual. If you watch the in car videos of those runs its amazing to see what a good driver can do with a stick. I will gladly give up a few seconds on the track to have more fun but obviously I am not racing where every 1/10th of a second counts. Now if someone gave me an Egear Gallardo would I complain?? No..Id just sell it and get a 6 speed...haha..
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[QUOTE=Ozzir;231461] I just found driving it with egear was boring. It was like playing a video game and I felt dorky using the paddles to shift so I just ended up putting it in auto mode and leaving it. I just feel way more connected to the car when I'm part of the shift process instead of a computer doing it for me.

No wonder you felt useless, driving in Auto and allowing the computer to shift for you!!!!! I assumed you drove in Sport or Corsa because you express interest in performance. I've had two Lambos now over a period of 5-1/2 years and neither car was driven in Auto even once. The way I see it, anyone who drives a Lambo in Auto mode should really be driving something else. The only exception I could see is if the car is a daily driver and in heavy traffic 5 days a week. And we all know that no Lambo, no matter how sophisticated and dependable they've become, was ever meant to be in heavy, stop and go traffic.
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I vote for a LP550-2 with manual transmission. To me, a manual transmission is an important part of the "sportscar experience". Being involved in the driving procedure is what itīs all about, not stupid track times. I agree with the member who said that the LP550-2 manuals will be the most sought after in the future.

To quote a fellow forum member, I think jcinflorida has said it perfectly:

"I love "manuals" because they speak of the day when it took skill and finesse to operate a vehicle to its full potential. You don't just "walk up" to a clutch car and drive it well with little experience. It takes investment. Heel-toe and throttle blipping were an art. We lost that investment with the paddles. Anyone can learn to operate it with a short lesson. I get the evolution though. The engineers wanted to minimize the effort needed to operate the vehicle so the driver could focus on the race. For professional racers whose skills are honed, paddles just remove the "clumsiness" and allow a more uniform race. So the time differences speak more to limitations of the gearbox than human input. Give me the "old days" where driver skill made the difference both in operating his machine as well as his racing ability. Sorry if I offend the "paddlers" but like pilots, the "old schoolers" get my top respect because they can "walk and chew gum at the same time" - period."
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I vote for a LP550-2 with manual transmission. To me, a manual transmission is an important part of the "sportscar experience". Being involved in the driving procedure is what itīs all about, not stupid track times. I agree with the member who said that the LP550-2 manuals will be the most sought after in the future.

To quote a fellow forum member, I think jcinflorida has said it perfectly:

"I love "manuals" because they speak of the day when it took skill and finesse to operate a vehicle to its full potential. You don't just "walk up" to a clutch car and drive it well with little experience. It takes investment. Heel-toe and throttle blipping were an art. We lost that investment with the paddles. Anyone can learn to operate it with a short lesson. I get the evolution though. The engineers wanted to minimize the effort needed to operate the vehicle so the driver could focus on the race. For professional racers whose skills are honed, paddles just remove the "clumsiness" and allow a more uniform race. So the time differences speak more to limitations of the gearbox than human input. Give me the "old days" where driver skill made the difference both in operating his machine as well as his racing ability. Sorry if I offend the "paddlers" but like pilots, the "old schoolers" get my top respect because they can "walk and chew gum at the same time" - period."
AMEN !!!!. Couldnt have said it better.
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I just found driving it with egear was boring. It was like playing a video game and I felt dorky using the paddles to shift so I just ended up putting it in auto mode and leaving it. I just feel way more connected to the car when I'm part of the shift process instead of a computer doing it for me.

No wonder you felt useless, driving in Auto and allowing the computer to shift for you!!!!! I assumed you drove in Sport or Corsa because you express interest in performance. I've had two Lambos now over a period of 5-1/2 years and neither car was driven in Auto even once. The way I see it, anyone who drives a Lambo in Auto mode should really be driving something else. The only exception I could see is if the car is a daily driver and in heavy traffic 5 days a week. And we all know that no Lambo, no matter how sophisticated and dependable they've become, was ever meant to be in heavy, stop and go traffic.
I DID drive it in Sport and Corsa. I tried it. Just didnt like it so I just found I put it in Auto mode and left it. It was just street driving it anyway. Even in Corsa and Sport mode the computer is still doing the shifting, you're just telling it when to. Not a big deal its just personal preference and like I said before I am obvioulsly a huge minority as almost all new Lambos are delivered with the egear. Is a manual even available in the Aventador? Here's the biggest difference. You actually HAVE a Lambo in your garage.... Im still in dream mode. HAHAHA.. Enjoy your car.
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If you are just driving on the street, get the 550-2 stick. Besides, it's the last year you will ever be able to get one EVER.
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Valentino Balboni inspired the LP550-2, both the E-Gear and the the manual. It's 2WD, 300 pounds lighter and he loves that it's "lively". Any car associated with Mr. Balboni is the way to go. I think that five years down the road the E-Gear will be so commonplace that future drivers will expect it. Just my opinion.
Either way, the LP550-2 is a blast.
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I've had four Vipers and they only come with six speed manuals.
It gets old. I'm enjoying the e-gear. I haven't missed a shift yet.....
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