Originally Posted by trevorrevver
I thought Ebay's rules were that the seller disclosed known faults and if they didn't, the buyer could cancel the deal and get a refund. Am I being naive (again)?
in general IMO, yes and no :-)
Often cars as listed as for sale "as is," subject to inspection by the buyer prior to the sale. Cars are often listed by sellers who state they are "making no representation of the condition of the car and offering no warranty express or implied ... I'm not a mechanic and even if I was and drove the car, inspected thoroughly including using a bore scope, did a compression and leak down test, had the oil analyzed, etc. this is an exotic - something could still be wrong that could cost you big bucks ... Don't buy unless you can afford that ..." Great business model eh? Unfortunately, there is some real truth to such an assertion though ... A reputable seller will do some of these things, state them clearly in the advert and stand behind them if you find otherwise, but ... If the ad just says "as is" subject to inspection, IMO you'll need proof of foreknowledge by a less than reputable seller, like this email chain, to get much of anywhere. eBay's VPP only covers mechanical problems for cars 10 yrs old or newer ... Of course if the car is covered by eBay's Buyer Protection Plan its a different story, but older cars sold "as is" typically are not covered ...
As far as this particular car, this seller sounds shady as all get out. Turning it over gently by hand seems a very reasonable request and something I would expect done after the seller receives Raymond's chain of emails.
However, the car was listed as a project car in storage for 20 years with obvious non-standard engine work started to boot. And the seller states "IT DOES NOT RUN AND WE HAVE NO IDEA OF THE CONDITION OF THE ENGINE INTERNALS." W/o the chain of emails showing commmunication w/ the seller and the fact that you the buyer did NOT know about this beforehand, I'd think you'd have real trouble getting anything from eBay. Even w/ such a chain, w/ the disclaimers in the listing I think you'd have real trouble although eBay is better than it once was ...
Btw, I agree firmly w/ Sledge4.2 - all Lambos are project cars :-)
Didn't mean to be soooo long winded, but I thought I'd lay out what I thought and see what others think AND HAVE EXPERIENCED. I am very interested as, obviously are you :-)
Best regards and Happy New Year!!!
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