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Old 07-03-2009, 05:53 PM
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e-gear is no good. period.
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e-gear is no good. period.
That's what I really wanted to say, but there's too many that would disagree.
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That's what I really wanted to say, but there's too many that would disagree.
Yes there are. I would. E-gear gets a bad rap because the early cars had some issues, but the software and clutch updates improved things tremendously. IMO a lot of the negative stuff you hear today comes from people who have never driven an E-gear car who are just repeating things they heard or read, most of which goes back to 3-4 years ago. Just like there are still people out there telling others not to buy a Z06 because the roof will fly off when it is no longer a problem.
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Old 07-03-2009, 09:23 PM
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its simple realy, with manual there is less head ache if something goes wrong.. and most goot techs can handle the job...but with e gear..your only going to get it fixed with a dealership garage...due to sofware and such...

i know you guys say its quiker to shift. but it also corects you if you shirft too late...and i dont need a baby sitter while im driving... also any one can drive a e gear... but with manual you develop a style of driving.. its more enjoyable.. its more daring...its just more lambo.... i say this after having driven lambos from 92 and 98sv and the lmoo2 and murci.. ive driven the e gears also from ferrari and lambo.. when they screw up they do it badly and embarase the hell out of you...

ok my flame suit is on.....you e gear guys can turn up the heat now....
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just look at all the new threads every week most are about problems with the egear.. we hardly hear about having trouble with normal manual any more.. cuzz its pritty straing forward to fix.. like most other cars.. non exotics i mean..
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Thank you to all that responded. This has been very informative and I had some concern that the car I was considering had a manual, no nav and no cam. It does however have all of the other great options. Anyone see any resale issues with this car in grey/black?
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E-gear is an automatic transmission that allows you to shift, without clutch, up or down only one gear at a time. A manual transmission allows you to shift up or down more than one gear at a time; not advisable, but the option is there.
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I am nearly certain E-gear can also shift more than one gear at a time, just tap the paddle multiple times quickly and it will skip gears. There are limits - it won't shift down so far that it would overrev (it would probably do this even trying to downshift one gear if you are already at redline), and it might be limited to say three gears up/down so you don't try and go from 1st to 6th.

I say "nearly certain" because I don't have a car with paddles to confirm, but I've driven an SL with E-gear and a few Ferraris with F1 (essentially the same system) and I'm pretty sure I did this both going up and coming back down the gearbox - if E-gear could only shift one gear at a time, I expect I would likely remember, since I do this all the time while driving, in fact....

As to saying shifting more than one gear is not advisable, that's not true. In street driving, to get better fuel economy, or just drive smoothly in traffic, it is common to go from 1st to 3rd, or 2nd to 5th, etc.

It is also very common to downshift more than one gear when pulling a pass (say 6th to 4th), and when braking hard from high speed and coming into a tight turn (i.e. going from 5th down to third or second).

Regarding your first statement, note that E-gear is not a traditional automatic transmission - it doesn't have a torque converter (which other automatics have) and it does have a clutch (which other automatics don't have). Obviously, E-gear doesn't have a clutch pedal, the computer controls the clutch engagement, but there is a clutch. Thus, E-gear is often referred to as "automated manual", or semi-automatic transmission.

And back to the original question - for me, 6 speed stick no question. It is more involving, and hence more fun for me. I still get more satisfaction out of downshifting myself, and enjoy having the shift lever at hand while driving. Also, in the street, E-gear/F1 can be a bit clunky at times, especially in stop and go. I do, however, appreciate the advantages of E-gear (you can focus more on the line and braking points, and you always get that perfectly satisfying blip on a downshift), and as the technology improves, ideally I'd have one of both. E-gear/F1 are getting better every year, although it is possible they will be replaced by dual clutch systems like in the Ferrari California. For now though, all my cars are 6 speed stick.

Good comments further up the thread about the joy of a clutch pedal, and the advantages and disadvantages to E-gear, as well as improvements over the years.

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E-gear is an automatic transmission that allows you to shift, without clutch, up or down only one gear at a time. A manual transmission allows you to shift up or down more than one gear at a time; not advisable, but the option is there.
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Old 07-05-2009, 01:50 AM
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Default One other thing about resale...

Forgot to mention - currently manual resale is harder (at least it was when I sold my 430 a few months ago, and when I bought my Gallardo at the same time).

In the future, manuals will be rare, so they might possibly be more sought after. The current F1/E-gear using single clutch might also be going out of style in favor of DSG, but a manual is a manual, and timeless.

Also, I didn't factor that into my decision on any of my cars, I went with what I wanted.

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I was fed that line when I was talked in an e-gear gallardo, 05. went to six speed and never looked back. I am more than qualified to compare the two having owned both. period. the e-gear was the shortest I have ever owned a car in my life, having owned 45 cars and counting, I owned this one 3 months and the e-gear did not retain the value promised.

there, you have your elaboration. sorry for being so blunt.
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