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Old 11-16-2012, 06:33 PM
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I love a good fighting spirit, 'when the going get's tough,..etcetera', that's what built the U.S.
You guys sound more like sour losers.
So you just gave up on America, and are reaching for AK47's, holes in the ground and massive supplies of canned food.
Cowards.

We kicked your arse in 1776.

We can do it again now.
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:10 PM
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I've read that post 4 times, and still had to slap my own face to make sure I was not dreaming. The near-sightedness, self-sufficiency and total ignorance of your own economical history is so overwhelming, I bow my head.
Never mind, I'm just a socialist European.
Chad, have you become a doomesday prepper my friend?
Oh are you going to teach me something about America? I know where I come from, and damned if I want to end up where you are!

This is a very emotional topic in this country, it is at a turning point, and those that don't live here should probably not comment.

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On second thought, that was rude. Jef give us a brief synopsis of American history, what it means to be American, who built this country, what we should be doing, and so on. If I'm so ignorant, you educate me.
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Taurean Bull... Good stuff!! I'd like to see that as a model for the entire country! Imagine how powerful we'd become as a Nation!

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Oh are you going to teach me something about America? I know where I come from, and damned if I want to end up where you are!

This is a very emotional topic in this country, it is at a turning point, and those that don't live here should probably not comment.
Wake up, the world is getting smaller by the day. A couple of years ago we learned that whatever it is you do over there affects us, and vice versa. I have as much right to comment on you as you have on me.

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That's right you do, so here's your opportunity. I suppose it would make it easier if we become more like you, that's what we're complaining about. Capitalism is cruel, but it's still what makes America Outstanding.

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That's right you do, so here's your opportunity. I suppose it would make it easier if we become more like you, that's what we're complaining about. Capitalism is cruel, but it's still what makes America Outstanding.
We are perfectly aware of the fact that capitalism is cruel. We feel it every day. We live in a capitalist system. Take a plane Ray, and come visit us, you're welcome
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Old 11-19-2012, 10:23 AM
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I love a good fighting spirit, 'when the going get's tough,..etcetera', that's what built the U.S.
You guys sound more like sour losers.
So you just gave up on America, and are reaching for AK47's, holes in the ground and massive supplies of canned food.
Cowards.
You don't get it.

I'm free because I'm preparing for becoming as independent of the system as I possibly can, or is reasonable in this century. That includes; food, water, fuel, electricity, etc. We have something that is pretty popular here in the American West, and it's called "off the grid", and shrinking the community of those you depend on to help each other out, rather than looking to some leviathan government to solve things for you. Read again, I'm becoming INdependent. Look at what happens every time there is a natural disaster in the US. Katrina, Sandy, et al, those people are completely dependent on the system, and look what it gets them. Dumpster diving behind grocery stores for expired food that was thrown in the garbage just so they can eat. Can't travel anywhere because they had no stored fuel. Things like this make people angry, and moan that "someone" isn't coming to help them. THAT isn't the American spirit. The American spirit is getting things done for yourself, but if you are in the position to help someone else, you do it. We're not a bunch of jack-booted thugs ready and willing to step on each other's faces, though you might not believe it when you see a bunch of morons taking the opportunity to riot. The connection people don't seem to make is, why are they so dependent, and what can they do to change it.......

I AM becoming the change I want to see, especially now that my government doesn't represent me anymore, and there is NOTHING cowardly about that. Preparing is just good sense. If you think I'm a coward for doing it, you might want to look at your neighbors in Switzerland and tell them the same thing, I'm sure they'd appreciate it. What happens in the case of a natural disaster, many of which you don't have in waffleland? Tornadoes, earthquakes, hurricanes. I suppose when you live in some mythical magical land of your own creation, you don't need to be prepared for anything. Me, I live in the real world......

In that real world, I know that governments and politicians lie to us 99% of the time. In this real world, I as an individual know that the balance of power is against me, and there is no way that I could ever rely on a government to solve my problems. What sort of selfish, self centered person do I look like, a Belgian? hahaha. In this real world, I know that we are in for another major collapse worse than that of several years ago, that nobody seemed to listen to me that would be coming then.

I look around me at those that I love and those that I am close to, and I wonder what I can do to protect them, and to make their lives better. THAT is why I prepare. You think that me wanting to provide safety and security for my family, my children especially, makes me a coward? You think that wanting to keep them from begging for a handout from the government, or anyone else, makes me a coward? You think that arming myself in the event that someone comes to our door looking to harm them makes me a coward? Let me tell you something.....

YOU are the coward, because YOU do not want to face the reality tha something might not go according to plan is your precious little unchallenged world. YOU are afraid that someday, YOU might be personally responsible for yourself in the event that S H T F. You are a slave, you are dependent, and YOU are blind.

Do you think that I'm a sore loser? Trust me, with either Mitt or Barry, this country would have lost. The cards have been dealt. I would have been on exactly the same trajectory as if the "other" side had won.

Read me again, I am INdependent, and I no longer have representation.

I do not want to leave my country......my country LEFT ME.
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I have only one response to that. GET RICH. With enough "F" you money you can tell'em all to go to hell.
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[QUOTE=Rayman;230562]I have only one response to that. GET RICH.

Good solution. Now, just tell me how to do it!
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