It just occurred to me: UQD=Ultimate Quik Detailer duh!

UQD- Ultimate Quick Detailer is correct.

Part of the problem with clay's and lubricants is that all clay sold in the US (regardless of the name on the box) is manufactured by Clay Magic as they hold the patent. It is all synthetic to my knowledge, made from polybutene. While polybutene does and admirable job of sheering off surface containments and encapsulating them, it does seem particularly finicky to the chemicals it is exposed to.

This can make selecting a clay lubricant an overly complicated process because the generic answer, use a detail spray or use car soap doesn't account for the actual differences in each.

Quick Detailer's are a broad term, but they started off as a product that was sprayed on the paint to remove dust and increase the gloss. In the earliest form, quick detailers relied on silicone, which when buffed even in application increased the gloss and gave that show room shine. As the popularity of these products increased the manufacturers constantly tried to out do themselves, and the range of these products increased.

A lot of modern quick detailers are similar to spray sealants, which I would categorize UQD under. The problem is that spray sealants need a solvent which will flash off. This is why using UQD as a lubricant in the claying process can make the clay 'stick' to the paint or difficult to maneuver, as the skin of the clay softens because of the solvents. The upside of these modern quick detailers is that the solvents help the quick detailer dry streak free and allow for a polymer sealant base which actually increases the protection on the paint as opposed to smearing oil on it. It isn't uncommon for clay to actually begin to flake or get gummy when used with soaps and quick detailers that have solvents. You can use a product like Zaino Z6 (awesome cleansing and shining quick detailer or Meguiar's UQD) but you have to cut them with water 1:1 or use them on a wet car in order to keep the clay from sticking despite the slick surface and lubricity they provide.

The reason I would recommend Meguiar's Last Touch is because I have never experienced a shortening of the clay's life when used with this product. The problem is that this product has to be bought in bulk. If that doesn't appeal to you, older over the counter quick detailers such as Meguiar's Quik Detailer or Mother's California Gold Quick Detail Spray will provide more then adequate lubricity with out attacking the clay itself.

If you want to mix a car soap, I would recommend something like Meguiar's M00 Hi-Tech Wash which is a pure soap, or for over the counter Meguiar's Gold Glass. Both can be diluted about 20:1 in a spray bottle and will do a good job. Sorry for the lenghtly reply but maybe this thread can be salvaged after all!


Todd

I'm just blown away by this thread, and it's contents. I know Holden and myself have never gotten along in the past, but it is truly a shame to see something like this happen.

Nick

......it is a shame, but the damage is self inflicted.

Todd,
The guy at the Meguair's booth reached for the Ultimate Quik Detailer when I picked up the Meguiar's detailing clay (mild) and told me in his opinion this was the best lubricant to use with that clay, so I trusted his knowledge and bought both...
As for the wax, he handed me Meguiar's NEW NXT Generation Tech Wax 2.0... he said I can either apply it with a polisher with a wool bonnet, or by hand, either way I should expect excellent results.
To quote your earlier post content;
"If that doesn't appeal to you, older over the counter quick detailers such as Meguiar's Quik Detailer " <<< this is the stuff I did get and am really looking forward to doing this...I am a fast learner and work with my hands, I have used electric buffers before with complete confidence, letting the machine do the work without adding pressure, but rather gliding back and forth.
My intention is to get the wax on, apply it with the buffer, manually remove the hazed up wax with micro towels, THEN go over the entire car with a fresh new wool bonnet over the buffer and do a complete polish... at this stage of the job Todd, is there anything else I should be considering AFTER all the polishing/buffing is complete? such as a sealer or whatever, if yes would you mind supplying trade product names.
Again, thanks for taking the time to explain all that in your post, IT IS appreciated immensely;
Look forward to your reply
regards
Mario

Not that they need backup, but I would agree with Todd & Brian; UQD as a QD lubricant probably isn't the best idea. UQD is thicker than a regular qd liquid, that alone would prevent me from using it. It's also likely interfere with polishing after clay.

I usually use Clearkote Quickshine for clay lube; it can be had inexpensively and has been a long time favorite of mine for a straight up qd.

The guy from the Meguiar's booth gave you bad information. Most reps don't strive to be the best rep, its like buying a car. Most salespeople don't know the cars they are trying to sell and I find it disconcerning when I know more about the vehicle and they are the expert. Solvent based 'quick detailers' or spray sealants tend to make poor clay lubes for the reasons I stated earlier.

NXT is not a wax but a polymer sealant with a light cleaner (kalion clay) in it. For an over the counter product, NXT V2 isn't bad.

What type of polisher are you using?

I wouldn't recommend applying NXT with a machine unless it was something like a random orbital polisher like a Porter Cable 7424 and a foam finishing pad. Wool bonnets have some 'cut' to them which can induce microscopic scratching in modern clear coats.

With a product like NXT you are not going to notice much of a difference in how you chose to apply it or removie it, so I would apply it (thinly) by hand, wait till it hazes, and remove it with a clean microfiber.

I like Quickshine too much as a dedicated final wipedown to use it as lube, but I will have to give it a try next time out. I am sure it adds to the slickness of the paint considerably.

Optimum gloss enhancer dilutes is an awesome clay lube. It leaves the paint so slick, even completely hammered black g35 paint was slick as snot after claying alone, so different products for different expectations I suppose.

LOL I remember that. That was AWESOME (realizes nobody else but you and I will understand that)

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