Hi every one. I'm new to this forum. I just wanted to know, what is the difference between the really early 1975 LP 400 body style and the later models. I know the obvious that the early LP 400 had skinny wheels and tires and no S skirts. But it seems like the low body on those cars are much lower and wider then the later models 1981-1989. Even the windshield on the LP 400's seem wider. So, my question is, were the LP 400's wider and lower then the new models?

LP 400 and early S cars are lower than all countach after late 1981
check the ILR and you will see that also early S cars (called S1 and S2) have lower roof and have a slightly different chassis (sharing the same with LP400), lower ride height, ecc.. the early cars are also some lighter (LP the lightest)
LP400 and S1, S2 cars are not wider, but they look wider because of the low roof-ride height

there are other differences btw an LP 400 and 5000s:
4 liter - 4.7 liter engines
instruments SW - Jaeger
door panels
mirrors
mouse hair dash-leather
and more

has it been proven that there is an actual difference ?

(info below taken from other forums)
when Marchesi (the chassis builder in Orbassano who suppied all circa 2,000 chassis for the Countach) was asked when the Countach chassis was changed he remarked "Changed? They are all the same from LP400 to Annivesario!"

claudio zampolli (and other factory ppl) say no body change, simply a lowering of the floorpan and seat base in the same chassis design

I have often wondered when people start talking about the changes in the roof and other things, did they give ANY thought to this. Fact, The windshield is, with the exception of the antenna in the glass, vs not in glass,
EXACTLY the same from the LP400 to the 25th car. Now, if knowing that fact, would they tell me HOW the roof was raised?????????????? I would love to hear an answer to that. NEXT fact, the upper and lower door glass is also EXACTLY the same from the early car to the later.
All Lambo did was remove the periscope from the roof, thereby giving around 2 inches extra head room. The also used a 225x50x15 front tyre vs the 205x50x15 earlier front tyre. Also they mounted the front spring in a higher position on the shock.. Those 2 things raised the front of the car around 3 to 4 inches.
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has it been proven that there is an actual difference ?

(info below taken from other forums)
when Marchesi (the chassis builder in Orbassano who suppied all circa 2,000 chassis for the Countach) was asked when the Countach chassis was changed he remarked "Changed? They are all the same from LP400 to Annivesario!"

claudio zampolli (and other factory ppl) say no body change, simply a lowering of the floorpan and seat base in the same chassis design


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i agree, tho i would query one or two points youve made.

the raisng of body height was nothing (afaik) to do with tyre choice as the 225 section tyre didnt come in till much later, it was simply a spring change because lots of people were killing front lips.

the periscopa was removed from the roof for all but one or two of the cars referred to as lp400s s1 (and also called lowbody)
this would have possibly given more headroom in the centre of the car, tho if you look at pics of ppl driving an lp400 then tunnel isnt under their head anyways.
its more acheived by the lowering of the floor and seat bases some time into the lp400s production run, at rougly the same time as the carbs were changed for 40's and the suspension raised.



another question is why do some ppl refer to the bravo wheeled cars as series 1 and all others as series 2.
a set of wheels and dials is the only change between these cars and other low body cars (and the larger dials were on some of the bravo wheled cars anyways)
if you wanted to be picky there would be 3 or possibly even 4 series of lp400s

i. bravo wheels and small dials, lowbody
ii. bravo wheels and larger dials, lowbody
iii. later style wheels, large dials, lowbody
iv. later style wheels, large dials, 40mm carbs, raised suspension

i and ii get lumped together as the series 1
and depending who you talk to iii and iv are either all series 2, or some 2 and some 3.

who decided though that only the initial 50 cars with the bravo wheels would be the series 1 cars and no more were ?
ive sene it said that dallara and wolf have stated that only the 1st 50 cars were series 1, but as they were no longer involved with lamborghini by the time the later cars (iii onwards in my list) were being built are they in a position to make this statement ?

I have measured the LP400 against the QV. The distance between the roof and bottom of the door is shorter on the 400

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Paul
Silhouette 40094
LP400 Countach 1120278

exactly
LP and early S cars share the same mesures
Tony measured his former S1 against an other QV and had same results
it was proven the roof was lower and doors were different, ecc...

i don't remember all, but i think he also said the chassis was somewhat different: diameter of tubes may be??

p.s. i have been in a late 81 S countach and i can tell you there is more headroom: first hand experience

the S1-S2-S3-S.....is a long long story and the end word is not already been written on this:
fact is these cars are quite different and a 78-79 is quite an other car from a late 81- 82 400S

Guys I have a question. First off how do you start a new topic on this forum? I see no where it says start new topic. Any way sense it seems a few people are reading and posting on my thread I started,zi'll post my questions here. this is a bit off topic but... There's a lot of QV CT's that has the Anniversary back molding over the tale lights. You guys know what I'm talking about right? On the early cars like the LP 400 there were no milding over the back tale light lenses, so my question is, does that moldong come off? Or is it stuck on there for good? I like the clean look of the back tale lights like the early cars had. My other question is, cars that have the UGLY US bumpers on, are those bumpers hard to take off? I want to loose that as well...

Thanks again fro your time.

you can take the black modling off and buy the lenses for the euro cars on ebay
you can take the us bumper off, you will have 2 holes on the car though